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#232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:08 pm
by skydyr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Accepted.
I've been doing a lot of thinking, and I don't see a working threat for white in the vicinity of :b82: despite all the aji above. I'll probably need to come back and fix something around here later, though. I'm tempted to just play above :b82: instead, which feels calm, but I'm not certain that it's sente.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 5 M X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | 6 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think capturing directly is either.

I talked about L15 before, but it can be cut, and I don't see a benefit to it, so I'm left with the upper left.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:37 am
by TIM82
B17

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:21 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm81 Position after white's move.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Still thinking, will move later.
I just recounted, and assuming white doesn't get too large a center, I think I'm pretty solidly ahead, but some of my positions are a bit precarious. There's a lot of aji in the center, as well as in the right side group. As such, I'm aiming to get rid of the center aji in a proactive manner now, since it seems the most dangerous. I'm leaving my last move as it is, since it removed followups from white's hane, but returning there is large. I'd also love to take L5 or something like that and turn my moyo fully into territory.

I'm looking at the bottom left group again before I move, though, because my spider sense keeps tingling.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:35 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Didn't find anything beyond a sente capture of B7, and it could activate aji around here anyways depending on white's response, so I want to take care of it.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:51 pm
by TIM82
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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X 9 . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm not so happy with the situation. Trying to stop B from getting too big area around here, and at the same time to activate some aji on right so that I could get some use of my ill-advised previous atari there.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:15 am
by skydyr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . 0 . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X 9 . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I did some brief reading but this is pretty instinctive. I expect hane underneath rather than crosscut.

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:32 am
by skydyr
I don't want to rush you, but are we still playing?

Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:13 am
by skydyr
I haven't heard from Tim82 in a while, so I'm calling this game and will be looking at the comments now.
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