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Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:46 pm
by Kirby
I wonder if there is a way I can still use M4... Or maybe I should continue to attack his stones now... Or maybe I should deal with the bottom left more...

Hmm, I'm not so sure right now.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:49 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm71 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this is sente, I think... So maybe after I play this, I will have a better idea of what to do next.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:50 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:51 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:52 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
edit:
kirby played sente. but many times sente is bad sente. i am thinking this is the case. it activated aji at 'a' which i was not comfortable to play before.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit 2:
this is my sente but i would never play this move because it hurts me more than few points in the corner.
then why is he playing a move that i would never play? see my point?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 4 . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:55 pm
by Kirby
Seems that there has to be something tricky to do with M4... But what is it?

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:05 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I will just expand out from here for now...

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:19 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

since he played last move he must connect or last move have no merit.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:43 pm
by Jedo
Maybe this shows my weakness in handicap games, but I would have definitely played some thing like F6 instead of Kirby's last move both two cut off the two white stones and make me feel safer about the eyeless black stones. Is it wrong to worry about this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 7 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sure, there's the push and cut at D8, but doesn't that get dangerous for black?

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:00 pm
by CSamurai
Jedo wrote:
Maybe this shows my weakness in handicap games, but I would have definitely played some thing like F6 instead of Kirby's last move both two cut off the two white stones and make me feel safer about the eyeless black stones. Is it wrong to worry about this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 7 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sure, there's the push and cut at D8, but doesn't that get dangerous for black?


What does your 86 do for black? Can you think of a better move?

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:41 pm
by Suji
CSamurai wrote:
Jedo wrote:
Maybe this shows my weakness in handicap games, but I would have definitely played some thing like F6 instead of Kirby's last move both two cut off the two white stones and make me feel safer about the eyeless black stones. Is it wrong to worry about this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 7 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sure, there's the push and cut at D8, but doesn't that get dangerous for black?


What does your 86 do for black? Can you think of a better move?


I think this might be better:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 6 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:22 pm
by Jedo
Suji wrote:I think this might be better:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 6 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But what about this?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7XX X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 6 . 8 . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Again, I'm not saying that this is completely disasterous, but why not just play :b6: in the first place instead of :b4: ,because I feel like :b6: has more of an effect on white.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:36 pm
by CSamurai
Well, I've been mulling it over and a few thoughts occur to me.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 7 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 8 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After white 7, black can start a fight at 8. It goes something like..

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[go]$$Bc Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 8 2 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 6 3 4 5 . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . 9 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Notice how this damages White's side. Chances are, black can make life in here. If white doesn't cut..

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[go]$$Bc Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 5 2 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 4 3 6 8 . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O 9 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black makes easy life, small but definitely alive.

If white plays more cool..

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[go]$$Bc Has captured: B - 2, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O 2 . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 7 4 1 3 . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X 6 5 8 0 . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


10 starts a fight which black can win for 1 and 3.

White is unlikely to play in such a way to force black to make desperation life under their stones.

That's what I think, anyway.

Edit: Also, 86 At your proposed 87 allows my 88 much more in the way of teeth. Which is why I feel that perhaps splitting off the easy to save 3 white stones is not the best use of 86.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:01 am
by dfan
Doesn't this work if necessary? (Which is not to say that this is necessarily a good sequence strategically.)

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O X X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . 7 . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:23 am
by Hummingbird Cyborg
Am I the only one that thinks that Kirby should have just let mw win the ko fight and made a couple of big moves elsewhere if white filled the ko? And that he lost a ton by letting mw just take that corner. (Even if he is able to use some of the aji to live in there.)
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