21. Magicwand (3d) vs. wms (1d)

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Sat May 01, 2010 11:34 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . W . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wms · Post by **wms** » Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wms · Post by **wms** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:21 am

A move that I did not expect at all, but it makes sense once I look at it. Seems I'll have to drop to 1 move per day while things stay tricky.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:31 am

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
almost there...

Holy crap.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 pm

maybe something along this line?? i dont expect much out of the side. my main goal is the top dragon. 'a' sente is all i am intrested because that is a piece of puzzle that will kill the dragon.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X 1 X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . W . 5 X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . 7 , 6 4 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . 9 8 O . 3 2 O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . 0 . . . . X a . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wms · Post by **wms** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:07 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X B . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon May 03, 2010 10:13 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . W O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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i think he made a mistake. now i expect alot from left side. i have more choices and he is in deeper water.
now i can cut other way and go after black group. "a" is not sente. black is about to resign.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . 5 O 4 2 X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . 7 6 , . 3 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . 8 . O . 1 W O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wms · Post by **wms** » Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . 7 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . 6 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . 4 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . 8 5 O 3 1 X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . 2 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Iffy at best, but the only choice it seems.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 04, 2010 2:21 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . W X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue May 04, 2010 4:55 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c the game is over. i will trade a and b before the kill to make sure i dont have any weakness. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | 8 6 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . 5 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | 7 O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . 3 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . 4 . O 2 W X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Solomon** » Tue May 04, 2010 8:01 am

Players can't read this, only observers.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . 7 3 O 2 O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . 5 4 , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . 6 . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . . b . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way still leaves the most possibilities for Black. What Black needs to do is keep the liberties on the D11 group tight. After 7, if 'a':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c White will lose liberty race by 1. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . W X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | . X O 5 6 X X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | 2 O 4 O 7 X O O . . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . 1 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After 7, if 'b':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Becomes complicated, but feels bad for White. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X | $$ | . 2 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . | $$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . | $$ | . 1 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . | $$ | 3 . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . | $$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . | $$ | 4 X O , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . | $$ | . O . O . X O O 6 . . O . . . X O . . | $$ | . 8 W 9 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this second diagram is probably not the best Black or White can do.

wms · Post by **wms** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:39 am

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wms · Post by **wms** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:44 am

Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 04, 2010 9:51 am

wms wrote:Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...

That was my thought as well. Maybe he wanted to tempt you more

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