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Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:34 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . W . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well I kept trying moves and none of them worked well. Finally I took a look at this move. To be honest, I haven't read everything out fully, but this is interesting to me. If magicwand ignores the move then I can get some good shape by exploiting the shortage of liberties around white L12, and meanwhile it fixes the biggest problem I've been having, which is my weakness at G15. So let's see if it works.

If I misread and all my stones around F16 and K12 die, then I'll have to think hard about resigning.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:10 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

almost there...

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:21 am
by wms
A move that I did not expect at all, but it makes sense once I look at it. Seems I'll have to drop to 1 move per day while things stay tricky.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:31 am
by fwiffo
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

almost there...
Holy crap.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 pm
by Magicwand
maybe something along this line?? i dont expect much out of the side. my main goal is the top dragon. 'a' sente is all i am intrested because that is a piece of puzzle that will kill the dragon.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . 5 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 , 6 4 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 9 8 O . 3 2 O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:07 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X B . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks very bleak. I thought about E11 and E10, but they ended up even worse.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:13 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

added hidden comment:
i think he made a mistake. now i expect alot from left side. i have more choices and he is in deeper water.
now i can cut other way and go after black group. "a" is not sente. black is about to resign.
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O 4 2 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . 7 6 , . 3 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 8 . O . 1 W O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . 7 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 6 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 8 5 O 3 1 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 2 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Iffy at best, but the only choice it seems.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:21 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:55 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c the game is over. i will trade a and b before the kill to make sure i dont have any weakness.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | 8 6 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 5 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | 7 O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O 2 W X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:01 am
by Solomon
Players can't read this, only observers.
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 O 2 O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 4 , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 6 . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . b . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way still leaves the most possibilities for Black. What Black needs to do is keep the liberties on the D11 group tight. After 7, if 'a':

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[go]$$c White will lose liberty race by 1.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . W X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O 5 6 X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | 2 O 4 O 7 X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After 7, if 'b':
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[go]$$c Becomes complicated, but feels bad for White.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 2 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 1 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | 3 . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | 4 X O , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O O 6 . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 8 W 9 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this second diagram is probably not the best Black or White can do.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:39 am
by wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
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$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
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$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . B X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
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Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:44 am
by wms
Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:51 am
by Kirby
wms wrote:Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...


That was my thought as well. Maybe he wanted to tempt you more :)