Teamovich 2

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:48 pm

Ok ... here we go

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Team:

Why did no one suggest this, or even mention it? If we don't play this, our last move is worse than meaningless. It makes white stronger for no benefit at all. I was doing my best to hit you with rhetorical bludgeons until it came up. Our move is big, but extend from the kick is urgent. Play urgent before big!

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Another comment: This exchange is really bad for us. It's basically saying: please white, take the entire corner. We'll take a stone that's stuck way to close to your thickness in exchange.

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Sorry if this came of as a little harsh, but this is a little bit like how I felt watching the suggestions come in...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:11 pm

Observers only:

WIC:

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:44 am

WIC/suggestion:

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They've ignored a move which was supposed to be our sente, so the only consistent follow-up is to follow up on it. While I don't know that much about shape, I'm pretty sure that this point is considered the "vital point" in this type of situation (cf. when the low approach to a 4-4 stone is kicked).

Unfortunately, they may have chosen a good time to tenuki, as it's clearly big, and this move doesn't seem to definitively kill that black stone yet. I certainly can't read any way to kill the group after black extends to C11. But we seem to get a fourth line wall for it, which should help to nullify the influence game black is clearly trying to play here. (They don't have any territory yet, after all

)

After some sequence gets played out here, I would vote for a second move in the upper right (the 3-4 feels normal) as the biggest play remaining, before we try approaching one of their 4-4s (or perhaps even invading directly). But with the tenuki-happy way black has played so far, I predict they'll probably do something in the upper right now.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:07 pm

@Marcus: your post has a BIC section, are we allowed to read it?

WIC

The more you proposed is big but not urgent. If black nobis at C11 it is a good exchange for us, but there are so many big areas on the board that I think black will just ignore. The most urgent place on the board is to pincer the three black stones on top. If they die we get a huge corner and massive influence. And as far as I can tell killing only needs 2 moves so it is definitely sente. I'm thinking about G16; A close, high pincer to put maximum amount of pressure on the group. Because of our last move our group is very strong and because of B18 the black group’s base is very questionable. I'll be interested in seeing how they handle that group.

Other thought would have been this:

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pressures blacks group so they have to defend. With

we gain a modest amount of territory and get rid of our last weakness.

prevents a double wing and

takes the last truly huge point.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:07 am

Mnemonic wrote:@Marcus: your post has a BIC section, are we allowed to read it?

heh, oops. This game went on pause for so long, I confused myself. Should be WIC. Fixing now.

lesenv · Post by **lesenv** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:55 am

@Redundant

I thought about this move, but I thought the corner was bigger:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 6 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 7 . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Somehow i like the second and third diagram better.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:47 am

@lesenv:

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:06 pm

It's been long enough that I'm having to go back and rad through our previous moves to see what I need to talk about. Another couple days and I'll post. Sorry for the delay.

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:52 am

@Marcus (+ further WIC):

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Mon May 02, 2011 8:40 am

Sorry for taking a while but I had a tournament this weekend (Won my first book

)

I've been looking at the position and I still think it is vital to pincer the top group although I've been starting to dislike my original choice. It is probably sente but not "too" severe for Black. After they build up strength with this kind of sequence the might even try and attack the lone stone.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . 2 . . 7 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The original move looked like the right idea but the wrong execution. So here are 2 new moves that also attack blacks group but do so with two fundamentally different strategies:

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A: This move goes for the kill. I've read some variation and it is very difficult for white to live, especially with the marked stone. If we win the game is almost over; On the other hand if he does live he has probably killed out corner group or builds tremendous influence to undercut our 45 stone. This is kind of a do or die move and will probably not resonate well with our captain. There is also some kind of proverb that say's you should profit from weak groups by attack, not trying to kill them!

B: This move is fundamentally different from A in that I intend to make black run and connect to tengen while taking profit on both sides and reducing the negative effects of an 34 invasion on the top right. One example variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . 2 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . 5 6 . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 4 . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What I'm trying to say is I nominate H16

lesenv · Post by **lesenv** » Thu May 05, 2011 1:40 am

@Redundant (and bump!)

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu May 05, 2011 2:38 pm

Sorry for the wait.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

WIC:

Oh boy! Now to go back and talk about the previous move ...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm12 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We definitely needed to defend here. Black is severly attacking our group and we need some way to keep our corner safe, but still have some access to the center (we don't want to get closed in with no access to the center).

The only issue I have with this move is that, after Black's natural follow-up (which did not happen), we can still be surrounded:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm12 :w14: elsewhere $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The above may not be great, but it does seal us in, and we want to make sure we can approach tengen with some strength towards the center ... much harder to play the game if Black controls the whole center.

As a side note, I'd probably play the following, which is just more solid:

WIC:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm12 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now, for this move

, Black has neglected the natural move with

. We can take it now. It means our group is completely safe, and we have access to the center for future fights. Further, it splits off Black's last attacking stone (

) and gets ready to put pressure on Black's top group.

The pincer is coming soon, if Black doesn't defend first.

The game is still fluid. I'd like my White soldiers to consider the board and maybe comment on where they think the most important points on the board are. Discuss among yourselves.

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Fri May 06, 2011 2:43 am

WIC:

PS: Is Rafa still involved in this game, on our team? If you're reading this Rafa (I certainly recall seeing you about on the forum a few times recently, even if not posting here), I'd certainly like you to be (and I assume the same is true of my team-mates)

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Fri May 06, 2011 4:38 am

WIC

The pincer at the top is sooo huge! It completely destroys the purpose of blacks 3 stones, it gives us much needs influence and supports our 4-5 stone. It might be a style thing but I think I disagree with our captains last move choice

Black must protect now and then I don't really have a clue where to play.

After thinking about it a bit it isn't easy for black to choose an extension because we have undercut his stones.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 I think this will be most likely. Is there anything we could do with the aji at (a)? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . 5 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Now the real question is: What do we do now. We could either protect the upper right corner or we could "invade" black’s framework on the lower side. I'm not sure which I prefer, protecting seems ugly and slow and gives black time to consolidate. But if black invades the corner, does our stone still have any use at all?

Considering the enclosure: robinz, what’s your opinion on a 33 enclose. Yes it looks slow and inefficient, but if we play the normal 34 a R13 approach by black looks awful (can't pincer, can't cap, furthers black’s framework, destroys our corner territory, ect.)

robinz · Post by **robinz** » Fri May 06, 2011 4:59 am

WIC:

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