Wow, the position played out as I expected ... that doesn't happen all that often.
Good game to both.
Re: opening
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:23 am
by Chew Terr
EdLee wrote:Hidden until the opening is finished,
Interesting -- at least 3 pro games with this opening, from 2000, 1960, and 1933 (Go Seigen was B, Kitani Minoru was W).
Wait, I was Kitani Minoru? Awesome!
Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:36 am
by Chew Terr
Magicwand wrote:for obs only:
cut doesnt work...
$$Wcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O 6 X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X 5 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 3 2 1 . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . 9 O O B O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O 6 X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X 5 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X 3 2 1 . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . 9 O O B O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
MW: That's pretty much what I read, if he cut on that side. Did you have a better answer to the other cut than I did?
Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:44 pm
by Kirby
Chew Terr wrote:
EdLee wrote:Hidden until the opening is finished,
Interesting -- at least 3 pro games with this opening, from 2000, 1960, and 1933 (Go Seigen was B, Kitani Minoru was W).
Wait, I was Kitani Minoru? Awesome!
Does that mean I get to be Go Seigen?
Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:46 pm
by Kirby
Chew Terr wrote:
$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Going to see if I can force here and try to make territory on the top. We'll see. Might be asking too much, but I feel like pushing from the other side doesn't work either, and this leaves at least some chance of profit.
I see. So presuming that the cut did not work, this move was an aim to get territory in this area:
$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is that correct? I thought that this move was interesting in the game.
Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:38 pm
by Chew Terr
Kirby wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Going to see if I can force here and try to make territory on the top. We'll see. Might be asking too much, but I feel like pushing from the other side doesn't work either, and this leaves at least some chance of profit.
I see. So presuming that the cut did not work, this move was an aim to get territory in this area:
$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . | $$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is that correct? I thought that this move was interesting in the game.
Kind of. I had decided that the top was more interesting than the mid-bottom (or else I might have capped at O9). I was still debating, though, between trying to cap territory or make an invasion in the right side around R14. Regardless, I wanted stones/strength on top.
