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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:18 pm
by EdLee
How about double atari directly?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 O . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:28 pm
by EdLee
TJ's plan?
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 2 5 6 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 4 X 8 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
The double atari seems better...?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 4 5 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 W 7 . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
But in both cases, W(a) is a problem for B.

Re:

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:35 pm
by Tryss
@EdLee:
EdLee wrote:TJ's plan?
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 2 5 6 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 4 X 8 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
The double atari seems better...?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 4 5 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 W 7 . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
But in both cases, W(a) is a problem for B.


Black can't play 2 in your first diagram :

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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X 6 2 7 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O 5 X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 3 X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:45 pm
by EdLee
Tryss,
You're right. :)

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:49 am
by tj86430
Now I'm really curious...

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:45 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:50 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 2 X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X 3 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's not taking my bait...

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:43 am
by Laman
i tend to believe white just made a mistake...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 129-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 2 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

many variations possible, but black should be safe (without ko), therefore kill white four stones and secure black corner stones. painful for white

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:29 am
by gaius
@Laman:
This seems impossible for black due to :w2:, am I missing something?
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 129-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:38 am
by tj86430
It seems I had misread:

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[go]$$Bc1 5 fills @H17
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 2 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had missed that after 6, black must break out, otherwise he will lose the capturing race, and white can connect underneath.

I have to think about what's best for a while.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:46 am
by Laman
gaius:
gaius wrote:@Laman:
This seems impossible for black due to :w2:, am I missing something?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 131-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . 5 b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 a c . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

white 2 is reasonable and it is the possibly best answer. i put it to the first version of my diagram until i realised that there are some more difficult sequences by the edge. after your sequence black follows with the same 5 as in my diagram 129-1 and makes an easy life with 'a' to 'd'

tj86430 wrote:It seems I had misread:

...

I had missed that after 6, black must break out, otherwise he will lose the capturing race, and white can connect underneath.

I have to think about what's best for a while.

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[go]$$Bc1 Diagram 131-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 4 5 c . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X C 1 2 a . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O d . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this one is tricky, but the same 5 once again saves the day. if white captures the ko, black ataris at 'a' and white can't connect. if white plays 'a', black ends the ko by 'b' and then he has a miai of 'c' and 'd'

ganbare, tj86430!

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:38 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had already written this:

"I'm envisioning something like:

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X 7 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 5 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 6 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After which I think I'm relatively safe with both weak groups and can think of attacking his group in between.

I believe he must play 77 somewhere in the top, otherwise I will kill something:

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[go]$$Bc1 4 tenuki, 9 connects
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 7 8 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 5 6 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 2 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 3 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still think that if I can keep all my groups alive I'm comfortably ahead."

BUT then I decided to take another look at my original line and came up with this:

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[go]$$Wcm71 78 connects
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 6 7 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 5 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 0 . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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[go]$$Wcm81
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$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X 2 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now it gets complicated. If white wants to save his cutting stone he must do something about it, lets say 83 below:

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[go]$$Wcm81
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$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 3 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this I haven't been able to read all possibilities, but the ones I have read end up in my favour. So I'm going to risk a lot and try this out. I think I still have a good chance even if this doesn't work, provided that I can keep my to dragons alive.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . X X O . O O 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 5 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I misread. I think I will resign soon.

Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:28 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . X X O . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X 8 X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]