[go]$$Bcm61 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O 9 . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think the hane leaves me too thin, so let's see if I get pushed satisfactorily into Black's territory - I don't think F11 works all that well as a net because of his own weaknesses in shape, so I don't think he can stop me pushing through ... we'll see
Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:23 pm
by speedchase
$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . 1 . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
No problem
Ok, my big central crawling dragon hasn't got too much to worry about now, but there are some hefty points left. Firstly, I'm pretty sure there's some weakness in my lower left that can be exploited with a couple of cuts, and I'm half tempted to play B2 as I think it's both going to have points value (fixing the cut / cut issue) and threaten to connect underneath. This latest move is somewhat funky shape, but I need to protect somewhere and I don't think it leaves too bad aji. Some of the remaining points I'm after:
$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . b . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . a . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . c . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . d . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . b . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . a . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . c . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . d . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" because it's really valuable compared to him getting one point to the right at R9 (which kinda works for him right now, although I'm pretty sure I don't die anywhere). "b" because it carries on the plan of pushing into his territory, although one point below may be stronger, I was kind of planning on treating as light. "c" because it fixes any cut nonsense and allows me to save my central stones without harming the bottom too badly, and "d" for the following sequence that I mentioned earlier:
$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . 9 O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . 0 O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm81 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X O . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . 9 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 6 5 X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . 7 3 4 X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . 1 O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | 2 C O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . O O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I suspect should be the first move in this, as it creates all the problems, and the choice of which group to go crazy against will depend on White's response.
Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:08 pm
by speedchase
$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 9 . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 9 . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 0 . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X 5 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
continuing into Black's area of influence. Killing is now impossible, so I see no reason to look after directly. Instead, I'm trying to keep some forward momentum
Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:44 pm
by speedchase
$$Bcm81 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O 1 . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X O O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . a b . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X 6 . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this move helps black to make shape and relieves some of the pressure on the black dragon. I was considering something like a or b instead. Maybe white is worried about the connection to the two stones he previously played in the center, but they are kikashi so can probably be treated lightly. Even if they are lost, white can still break into the center by sacrificing them. Also, black is too weak to cut the two stones off immediately anyway.
Black is unlikely to die, so I think white needs to bank a profit out of this attack while black still feels uneasy. I want to know what topazg is aiming for!
Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:57 am
by topazg
$$Bcm81 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O 1 . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X O O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm81 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O 1 . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X O O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sorry about delay, I've had a difficult last couple of months
I'm pulling back here because the hane likely to be gote. Obviously this doesn't need a response, but the long knight slide is nice enough endgame that it's not unreasonable for Black to respond directly. I'll do a score count at some point, but Black looks a bit short on points at first glance.
Re: #158 - topazg vs speedchase
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:23 pm
by speedchase
$$Bcm81 W:0 B:0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . 2 . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O 1 . X , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . X O O . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . O O , . . X . X , O . . | $$ | . . . . X O . X X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . O X . X . O . . . . . O O . | $$ | . O X X . O X . . . . O . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . O X X X X . . . . O X . X | $$ | . . O X . O . O O O . . . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------