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#186 - topazg vs. skydyr

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Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:59 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 7 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 8 . . X . . . . X 2 X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 6 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't have a good response to that, so let's be drastic. Pulling back with 107 gave clamping aji that I think I could use to live in the corner. I haven't read this out in detail, though.

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:00 am
by Magicwand
black didnt need to sente that exchange..because it is his sente
did anyone actually thought about below sequence?
this will give white a & b exchange and cut at c
and aji in the corner is gone...

i would have thought about this if i was white...
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X 8 . . . . a X b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . c O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X 2 X 7 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . 6 X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 9 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . 0 . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:05 am
by Magicwand
dead...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


correct sequence..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . 3 4 O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think 3 is also possible... but i am not sure..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 1 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:20 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . O X 7 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 8 . . X . . . . X 2 X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X 5 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . 6 4 |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read this out as dead, but I could be mistaken... if he finds some crazy living sequence I'm in trouble, but I have to trust my reading...

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:20 am
by skydyr
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Threatening to connect under or make an eye through capture while trying to expand my eyespace. I'd also be happy to cut white on the outside to get additional support to deal with White's G13.

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:41 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:54 am
by uPWarrior
To skydir:
skydyr wrote:Threatening to connect under or make an eye through capture while trying to expand my eyespace. I'd also be happy to cut white on the outside to get additional support to deal with White's G13.


Can you develop on this?

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:08 pm
by skydyr
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the move I was looking at specifically, threatening to capture for an eye or reduce on the outside.

Here's what I'm thinking now:
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 b 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . X 4 . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 5 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A and B are miai because if white B:

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X O 2 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 1 X O X O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:30 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really hope I'm not missing something obvious

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:45 pm
by skydyr
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 3 O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can play this directly to either make an eye or transpose into the variation I pasted before.

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:06 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is just a dead shape isn't it? :S

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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:03 pm
by skydyr
B 16

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:06 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:48 pm
by skydyr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 9 O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I misread earlier and don't see a way to live anymore. I counted and don't think I'm too far behind, so I plan to use this group as ko threats or take some points in the lower left in sente.

Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:30 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O C O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 4 . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . 7 2 O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 0 9 O X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm fair enough ahead not to create something like this following:

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[go]$$Bcm119 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O 4 2 X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 1 O X 6 . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll just take sente instead.


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[go]$$Bcm119 Prisoners: :b2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X X . . . . 4 X 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . X . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . X O . . O . , X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O O X |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . 8 6 O X . O . O X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . 5 O X . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | 7 2 1 C X . . X X . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 9 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm gaining as much as I lose this way, and it's simpler to play out .. I have no weak groups or L+D issues, so simple is good.
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