[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this whole game i didnt play moves that even resembles overplay. game is practically over and its not even 100 moves. i knew this would happen because i saw some of his comments he made prior to this game which helped me assess his strength. and he made a statement about my bully style during kierby-magicwand game which made me want to show him how weak he is..
what i want now is to play mistakefree game till he resign and win convincingly.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:12 pm
by Harleqin
zinger wrote:Now that black has exchanged H7 for J7, I think white might as well stick in the peep E6. The difference to black playing E6 is a truckload of eyespace.
There is still a tradeoff. Just to exemplify:
$$W $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . 1 2 O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X a X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O C . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
[go]$$W $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . 1 2 O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X a X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O C . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |[/go]
As long as Black is not threatened to be closed in, he will not play the circled point. As long as Black does not have any incentive to play it, White is in no hurry to play it either, so he should preserve the aji (even if it seems far fetched now) as long as possible.
Still, looking at the current situation, White might want to try enclosing now, so he could perhaps consider it.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:23 pm
by Solomon
I wonder if Magicwand is an avid poker player; every time I read his comments I can't help but read it in Phil Hellmuth's voice since his Malkovich personality reminds me so much of him.
To add some actual content to this hidden message, I'm a bit hesitant about White's last move but I can also understand why he chose to play that instead of connecting from underneath because it is equally, if not more painful (it also lacks spirit and is an insipid play):
$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 1 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 2 0 6 . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | 9 X X O 3 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 X O X X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | O X X 1 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But it does remove some Black side territory...ay.
Anyways, I feel that with White's last move, he is somewhat committed to attack the giant enemy group and attack its weak point to inflict massive damage.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:24 pm
by Bill Spight
Violence wrote:
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O 1 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My first impulse earlier was to connect with instead of extending with . But everybody else was looking at the extension, and I didn't do any reading. Besides, what do I know?
But after the exchange of and is horrible for White. White has to choose between and and stick to it. If there is no better play in the game than the solid connection, that's a crying shame.
Edit: Unhidden.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:06 pm
by fwiffo
@Bill:
I think that's the most educational, easy-to-understand example of tewari I've ever seen. That might belong on the Sensei's page.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:07 pm
by Violence
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . W . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . W . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I read out a lot of ways to loosely surround him, but I think this is the best option. It's a vital point for both sides, and I feel that his group is under a lot of pressure.
Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:12 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
instead of extending with 
. But everybody else was looking at the extension, and I didn't do any reading. Besides, what do I know? 
and 