[go]$$Bm69 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 2 . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
OK, once again I get to play in the same area twice in a row. Funny how differently we look at urgency of moves.
I could not find a good way for black to answer this 70, so let's see what kind of move I have overlooked this time. Wondered about cutting the four black stones in the middle first, but I feel it's better to play on the side first, either strenghtening my stones and then cutting, or getting bigger side and not cutting.
Edit for typos in comment.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:20 am
by EdLee
Hmm... will think about .
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:06 pm
by EdLee
$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X 2 O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I'm on a holiday trip from this Sunday until 8th of Feb. May have access to internet, may have not. Will post moves if time and internet connection permit.
:sad: I hoped Ed would have tried something more ambitious - since in my reading that would have been good for me
Well, as there is not that much aji on the side now, better ensure that I'm connected out to avoid having to live there and failing to do that. It's above my ability to read what would happen after 3 below, but is seems scary enough to avoid.
$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . 3 . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . 3 . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Additionally the move makes A's below quite uninteresting fo Black, and threatens B. If Black takes B, I'll probably cut the five stones and then play around C, but have to think about that - am I sure that my stone inside black moyo will be ok if black plays d? Current opinion: this is ok, but a bit complex.
$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . a . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . a X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . c . X X 2 O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . b O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . d O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm71 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . b a X 1 . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X 2 O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O c . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For beginners. has at least two meanings: - Fix the peep (a), in the (b) direction; - Fix the hane (c), which was sitting there for a long time.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:38 am
by EdLee
Tim, enjoy your holiday.
Re: Re:
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:29 am
by TIM82
While waiting for Ed to move...
A quick evaluation of situation: I haven't counted properly (will try to do that soon to train myself, and post it) but I feel good about this game. 1-3 sequence below would be great if I first get a few stones at or around A's below in sente, harrying the stones to right of said A's. That should nail the game for me. Even if I don't get that, my gut feeling is that the points are even or I have a lead on board, not counting komi.
$$Wm1 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X 1 X . . . a . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X 2 X 3 . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
[go]$$Bm73 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . 1 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:24 pm
by EdLee
I looked at the situation for a few days, and unfortunately, as usual, the extra time didn't help so much. I was looking for ways to fix that cut in sente but couldn't find any. I tried to come up with other ideas, but didn't see anything very good. Also wasn't sure if that cut is severe or not. Conclusion: unclear. So I played the ugly empty triangle and see what happens.
Re:
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:20 am
by TIM82
In hindsight, perhaps should have thrown that cut in while it was available. Oh well, I have another cut at A below, but it seems not work good enough currently. The promised try at count:
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[go]$$Bm73 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | ? ? . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . ? ? | $$ | ? ? . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . O O X ? ? | $$ | ? ? X O O . O . . O . ? . . . X ? ? ? | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X ? ? ? | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . ? ? | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X ? ? | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X ? ? | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X . O . . ? | $$ | ? ? . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | ? ? O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . | $$ | ? ? . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . ? . . . . . . . a . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . ? | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X O O . . . ? ? | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X ? ? | $$ | ? ? O X O O . . . O X . . . . , ? ? ? | $$ | ? X X O O X ? ? ? O . . O . . X ? ? ? | $$ | ? X O . . ? ? ? ? . . . . . . . ? ? ? | $$ | ? ? . . . . ? ? ? ? . . . . . . ? ? ? | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Black: top left: 6 bottom left: 10 (inc 2 prisoners) top right: 17 (it seems actually that b will get border play at top in this corner) bottom right: 17 middle prisoners: 5 Total: 55
White: left side: 7 right side group: ? bottom: 13 (inc 1 prisoner) top: 20 komi 6,5 Total: 46,5 + ?
Not so good as I thought, not a catastrophe either, I have better propects for more new territory.
Wondering between A, B, the C-D-E combo below and something on the right side. A prepares for the cut at F, supports the two white stones in the middle a bit. B makes it harder for Black to chase to two stones in the middle on large scale and builds position on left. C-D-E takes points. Haven't found a really good-looking point on right side yet, will look into that.
$$Bm73 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . b . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X f X . . . a . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . e O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . c d . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------
. Thought the following was forced -- I just wanted to connect in sente with 
,
connects at 
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has at least two meanings:
(a), in the (b) direction;
and see what happens.