Life In 19x19

fwiffo wrote:

tj86430 wrote:e: miscount, I believe topazg has missed HKA and we would have 48 already before fwiffo.

Doh! Well, I guess consider me an alternate if somebody disappears before the 3rd round.

You can have my slot if you like? I'm not that fussed about participating and I was trying to think of a way not to have daniel_the_smith knocked into the 3rd group

topazg wrote:

fwiffo wrote:

tj86430 wrote:e: miscount, I believe topazg has missed HKA and we would have 48 already before fwiffo.

Doh! Well, I guess consider me an alternate if somebody disappears before the 3rd round.

You can have my slot if you like? I'm not that fussed about participating and I was trying to think of a way not to have daniel_the_smith knocked into the 3rd group

Can you post the timelines for the various groups' participation? It occurred to me that if there's a long delay before group 2 gets going, I may not be able to play either (I'm away from mid July to mid August)

Start date estimates...

Probably Groups 1 and 2 -> First half of June.
Group 3 -> second half
Group 4 -> First half of July
Group 5 -> Second half
Group 6 -> First half of August

topazg wrote:Final question before I do the first round draw, is overtime. Because far more people said it was too quick than too slow, I'm proposing the following two reasonably leisurely options.

Byo-yomi: 5 x 0:40
Canadian: 10 stones in 5 minutes

Please can you state which you prefer (if either), and how strongly you dislike one of them if that's the case.

I prefer byoyomi to Canadian, and 5 x 0:30 would be plenty slow enough for me (although 5 x 0:40 is fine too).

topazg wrote:Byo-yomi: 5 x 0:40
Canadian: 10 stones in 5 minutes

Both are ok for me.

If you don't mind giving up your spot, I'll take it.

If we're voting on what kind of time controls, I prefer Canadian but would be OK with either. It'll spoil me for when I have to go back to byo-yomi, though. It reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Kramer paints over the lines on the road. "These wide lanes are so luxurious!"

Either time setting is okay with me, but I'll declare a preference for Canadian since I'd like to try it out.

topazg wrote:Byo-yomi: 5 x 0:40
Canadian: 10 stones in 5 minutes

Please can you state which you prefer (if either), and how strongly you dislike one of them if that's the case.

I prefer canadian by a lot. Being able to take more on one single move and then play others fast is much better for me than restraining myself from playing to use the rest of the period thinking about the next move.

topazg wrote:Byo-yomi: 5 x 0:40
Canadian: 10 stones in 5 minutes

I vote for the Canadian. 30 seconds per stone is just fine, since the basic time is sufficiently long (30? 40? I forget already). And this definitely keep the game moving toward conclusion. I like it. (Says he who almost never plays RT online!)

topazg wrote:Ok, I've now posted the 48 entrants updated list in the first post. Please please please can you make sure you are only on that list if you still want to enter, and also if you aren't on that list but thought you had entered and still want to.

Final question before I do the first round draw, is overtime. Because far more people said it was too quick than too slow, I'm proposing the following two reasonably leisurely options.

Byo-yomi: 5 x 0:40
Canadian: 10 stones in 5 minutes

Please can you state which you prefer (if either), and how strongly you dislike one of them if that's the case.

vote for byo-yomi,
how strongly i dislike Canadian...i'm bad at dividing numbers, so i just don't like, don't like, don't like Canadian. Ok, 3 times, that's strong enough

It's funny, people keep talking about dividing numbers. I've played Canadian overtime lots and lots, and I have never once tried to divide the number of stones into the time left. If I have 8 stones left in 3 minutes, I know how many stones 8 is, and I know how long 3 minutes is - dividing always seems pointless

My vote, for what it is worth, is definitely on Canadian. I like being able to think up to 3 or 4 minutes on a single important move without watching my lives tick down. Canadian has much less pressure to me...

topazg wrote:It's funny, people keep talking about dividing numbers. I've played Canadian overtime lots and lots, and I have never once tried to divide the number of stones into the time left. If I have 8 stones left in 3 minutes, I know how many stones 8 is, and I know how long 3 minutes is - dividing always seems pointless

My vote, for what it is worth, is definitely on Canadian. I like being able to think up to 3 or 4 minutes on a single important move without watching my lives tick down. Canadian has much less pressure to me...

I don't know how many stones 8 is, cannot read that far; and seems i don't know how long 3 minutes is neither 10s, 30s, 45s or 1m makes sense. 3 minutes sounds like in the main time still. I feel more comfortable when being told that's 23s per move. 8 stones in 3 minutes doesn't seem to make any difference from 8 stones in 5 seconds or 25 stones in 3 minutes for me. It just makes panic

I'm fine with either overtime setting. And it's fine if I get bumped into the third group!

I rather strongly prefer byo-yomi to Canadian. My problem with Canadian timing is that it leads to strategic timing for your opponent: if you have little time left during a period, he can just start making wild overplays inside of your territory and hope you'll screw up with the little time you have left with a period. Your opponent is also incentivized to not play forcing moves which are easy to answer if you are low on time before starting a difficult fight, even if the forcing moves should be played before starting the fight. With byo-yomi, you have the same amount of time each move, so your opponent is never incentivized to play or not play certain moves on a given turn.

If we use byo-yomi, I think there should be at least 30 seconds per move. More is fine, but with less it starts to feel like blitz, and the game quality goes down. With Canadian, I'm guessing there should be at least 15-20 seconds per stone, though the actual breakdown of stones and time periods isn't too important.

Are we going to get somebody to do a verbal countdown for our byo-yomi periods (if we have them)?