[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . c . a . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , b . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X . . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I know these moves are not "urgent" but I am beginning to wonder when they will be played. I believe both are equally big and indirectly help the stones that are in the fight right now. Anyone have a prediction on when these moves will be played? A big part of me feels whoever gets here(at b) first, wins the game.
Mainly a and c are for black, I think he can do quite a bit with these two peeps. Are they aji-keshi? I do not know. I feel this is the right timing.
I don't think these are big, or indeed very desirable moves at all. A and C all seem aji-keshi that prompt White to fix his own weaknesses without netting much in return, and if B I'd just happily play the cap as White.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:06 am
by Magicwand
$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . W . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 4 2 3 X X X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . 1 O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is hard to kill but also not easy to live. as of now it is very very hard to kill but i will build foundation for attack using the aji in the corner. i dont know how yet but..i think it is possible.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:06 am
by Kirby
$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X B . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X B . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm a little bit nervous, but I think that living should be possible. This move threatens to connect up with my other stone, and also gives me more space for living.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:13 am
by Magicwand
$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X X W . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . 1 . X X X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . B O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So, I will play in the key point for white. "Play at your opponent's desired spot."
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:28 am
by Magicwand
$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . X X X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . W O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X . X X X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . W O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he needs to slowdown and think before playing..
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:36 am
by daniel_the_smith
I liked the idea when black attached to that central white stone. But I've not liked any moves since then. Perhaps that attachment was wrong, but I suspect the continuation first.
Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 3
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:46 am
by Solomon
This move that Black made stunned me. You get many, many hours to make your move and yet just a few seconds of deep thought was all that was needed for Kirby to realize how bad this move really is (Magicwand's response should make it pretty obvious). His reasoning was also an incorrect application of the best move being your opponent's best move.
$$Wc Prisoners: B=1, W=1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . X X O X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O X X X . O O . X . . | $$ | . X . O . O . O . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . X O . O . . . . X . . . O . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . B . X X X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O X O X O . . . X . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X X O O O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . X , . X X . . X X O . | $$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . O . X . O . . | $$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------