$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:13 am
by topazg
Further thoughts:
That lower right was really the final disaster. Things were pretty much neck and neck, and I think White may even had a couple of points advantage before that happened:
$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . 6 4 . O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 3 2 . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 5 1 O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . 6 4 . O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 3 2 . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 5 1 O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White's ahead on the board here, although Black has a greater potential for gaining points, but it at least seemed like it was even at worst. I've lost a good 10-15 points down there now, and I think White will be lucky to be within 10 points now.
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . 0 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . 0 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . 3 X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O 1 X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . 8 O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . 6 X X X . X . . . 5 . . X X X X X . | $$ | . 7 . . . . . . . 4 X . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . O O . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . 3 X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O 1 X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . 8 O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . 6 X X X . X . . . 5 . . X X X X X . | $$ | . 7 . . . . . . . 4 X . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . . O O . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I make this around a 5 point loss, and I'm sure Black can do better, which makes me suspect it's all over, but at least the game was close.
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:32 am
by Magicwand
M5
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:57 am
by topazg
$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . 0 . 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . 9 . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . 7 . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . 0 . 8 . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . 9 . . . O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Ok, he reads a kill, I was afraid of this. If I die, I resign, but I can't see it just yet.
EDIT: Yes, I can, me reading was before he played P7. How lame of me.
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:17 am
by topazg
Due to suiciding, I resign
A complete misread for the third time.
Many thanks for the game magicwand yet again
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:20 am
by The Intrepid
The group seems dead.
$$Bc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O 2 . | $$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O 3 . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O 2 . | $$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . . . . . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O 3 . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . 3 . 2 . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O X O X O X . X . X . . . X O O . | $$ | . . O X X . O X . X . O . X . X X O . | $$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . | $$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . | $$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . X O . X . . O . O . . X . 3 . 2 . | $$ | . X . . . X O . . . . X . . 1 O O . . | $$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O O X . . . | $$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X X X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as you alread know..knight moves are known to have "flexability" and/or "tension" so it is not easily cut. i really didnt think about how i can answer because i didnt expect that cut attempt. initial feeling is that this will not work.
edit: which lead me to believe that your attack on my stone was not good or leaving invasion point was not good. (as i pointed your loose move before)
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:32 am
by topazg
I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.
Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:34 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm51 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . 4 O . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . X . X X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . O X C X . . . X . X . O . | $$ | . . . X . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . 4 O . . . X . O . O . . | $$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . X . X X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
for SDK and DDK or even lower dan. 52,53 exchange was the biggest mistake i see from this game. it is better off killing your group then have that exchange. it is that bad.
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:38 am
by Magicwand
topazg wrote:I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.
Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game
my estimate is very accurate (man~ now i sound like Robert). you were losing close to 10 points.
another game will be fine. how about i give you black. and .5 komi? if you set i will start playing.
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:52 am
by topazg
Magicwand wrote:
topazg wrote:I agree my cut was a disaster. You may well be right regarding the looseness of the move. The whole game plan was to play a very different style of game to normal - mostly experimentation to be honest. I'm interested in your score estimate though. When I played the silly hane at the bottom edge (move 130 I think), I should have played my first instinct at Q4 - at which point I thought the game was pretty even, with possibly a White edge, whereas you thought you were ahead.
Would you like to continue the board from that position as I'm keen to see if my estimation was as badly off as you suspect? Or shall we just play another game
my estimate is very accurate (man~ now i sound like Robert). you were losing close to 10 points.
another game will be fine. how about i give you black. and .5 komi? if you set i will start playing.
Sure, give me a couple of days to deal with my blunder frustration, and I'll set it up
