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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:54 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 5 . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . 1 X 6 . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . 3 . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:shock: :-?

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 9 . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 5 . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . 1 X 6 . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . 3 . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:38 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 9 . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 5 . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . 1 X 6 . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . 3 . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The clamp has aji, can't let him have it.

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:50 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:17 am
by DeFlow
At the players:
I love your games! Please keep up the good commenting.


At Magicwand:
Could you explain the reasoning behind your moves starting at 101? Is there some cunning plan I am not seeing or are you just looking for any aji you can find?

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:51 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm running a gamble. Maybe I shouldn't, but I am. White connecting out is not worth enough points to catch up the deficit on the board right now, and this move is huge. Not only is both this point plus the hane at R1 sente for White, but I also greatly increase my aji on the right hand side this way, and pick up a few points in the process. The question is do I have two eyes with the group on the lower left. The answer is no, not yet. I have half an eye at the bottom due to F2, and another with G8. The fact I then also have moves like M7/M8 makes me willing to risk this. Time will tell


@DeFlow

Glad you're enjoying it :) Do throw questions my way if you want!

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:19 am
by The Intrepid
@topazg
Have you done a rough count yet? How many points ahead do you think you are?

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:28 am
by topazg
@Intrepid:

About 15 or so right now, but the right side, middle, bottom, and top have quite a bit of swing left in them. It feels hard from my perspective for White to get 15 more points out of those areas than Black, so I consider myself ahead, but magicwand's good at pulling stuff out of nowhere. Either way, I consider myself solidly ahead still right now, pending magicwand being mean ;)

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:13 am
by The Intrepid
I also have topazg leading by around 15 points in terms of solid territory. I wonder, though, if topazg's last move was unnecessarily risky. I would have played this instead:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . 1 . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O a . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move would reinforce Black's dragon, give Black points in the center, and threaten the cut at "a." Absent this move, White may hope to exploit the aji of the cut at "b" in some way. I surmise that Magicwand is currently calculating how to best go about doing this.

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:03 am
by Magicwand
K17
this is the reason why I love him. Giving me a chance. Thank you

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:10 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . 3 4 X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to test my reading. This could get ... icky if I'm wrong.

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:59 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . 3 4 X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:05 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . 3 4 X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:47 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . 3 4 X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . . . 6 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:34 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . 3 4 X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 8 . . 6 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]