First broken Kuroki shell stone, last night. ( Tim, you can open these two tags. ) Happened on :
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The top "zoom" photo was completely by chance -- the camera's internal hardware has been dying for some time now and the camera snapped that photo on its own.
Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:51 pm
by oren
Evidence of a very strong move having been played.
Now of course, I'll have to spawn off a thread of the tournament rules for such a situation happening.
Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:44 pm
by The Intrepid
That, right there, is a mighty bad omen for White.
It seems to me that White pressed his attack too far at some point. In particular, I think White should have protected the cut at L12 instead of and then expanded his moyo with something like "a."
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[go]$$Bm75 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Re:
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:47 am
by TIM82
Expected a move in that area, it was the other option for my last move too...
Initial thouhts: I think a move on fourth line would have been better for Ed, this seems easier to tenuki to A or something like it below. Will have to check response to black B below though first
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[go]$$Bm77 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . 2 . X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . 1 , . X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Ok, this reduces the middle and threatens to enlarge my top. Good enough? The slowing pace of moves seems to make the game harder for me to concentrate on
I'm getting more and more angry at myself for letting Ed connect earlier - it renders my two lone stones in the middle quite irrelevant. Well something learned, I hope.
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:28 pm
by EdLee
A first feeling...
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[go]$$Bm79 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . 2 O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . O 1 X O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . | $$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Re:
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:33 am
by TIM82
Obvious move is obvious.
If Ed continues locally, I will probably answer up to 84 below at least.
Point A at the bottom is very big - even bigger than similar points often are, IMHO. If Ed takes it, I'm currently toying with B, which seems possible at least on initial reading, and would seem to give me the lead. Hoever, I need to make sure to not lose the group of stones in the middle right if B is cut apart from the rest and lives separate close to the side.
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