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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:34 pm
by EdLee
First broken Kuroki shell stone, last night. :( ( Tim, you can open these two tags. ) Happened on :w58: :
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The top "zoom" photo was completely by chance -- the camera's internal hardware has been
dying for some time now and the camera snapped that photo on its own. :)

Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:51 pm
by oren
Evidence of a very strong move having been played.

Now of course, I'll have to spawn off a thread of the tournament rules for such a situation happening.

Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:44 pm
by The Intrepid
That, right there, is a mighty bad omen for White. :lol:
It seems to me that White pressed his attack too far at some point. In particular, I think White should have protected the cut at L12 instead of :w58: and then expanded his moyo with something like "a."
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[go]$$Bcm57
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . a . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . M O O . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:46 am
by TIM82
Ooh, a game with omens!

We'll see what it foretells :D

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:08 am
by EdLee
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[go]$$Bm75
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:47 am
by TIM82
Expected a move in that area, it was the other option for my last move too...

Initial thouhts: I think a move on fourth line would have been better for Ed, this seems easier to tenuki to A or something like it below. Will have to check response to black B below though first


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[go]$$Bm75
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . b . . 1 . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:10 pm
by TIM82
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm75
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Nah, seems better to protect here - if I try to build something at the bottom, black can play at 76 and then jump downwards...

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:37 pm
by EdLee
One idea is just jump to :b1:, putting pressure on the :wc: stones --
that was one meaning of the :bt: connect -- :b75: is also preparation for the same thing:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . W W X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . Y . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:03 am
by EdLee
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm77
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . 1 , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:04 am
by EdLee
Maybe the one-space jump is soft? Let's try this.

Re:

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:08 pm
by TIM82
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm77
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . 2 . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . 1 , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, this reduces the middle and threatens to enlarge my top. Good enough? The slowing pace of moves seems to make the game harder for me to concentrate on :scratch:

I'm getting more and more angry at myself for letting Ed connect earlier - it renders my two lone stones in the middle quite irrelevant. Well something learned, I hope.

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:28 pm
by EdLee
A first feeling...
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 1 O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . W . X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:31 am
by EdLee
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm79
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O 1 X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re:

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:21 am
by TIM82
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm79
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 2 O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . O 1 X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Re:

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:33 am
by TIM82
Obvious move is obvious.

If Ed continues locally, I will probably answer up to 84 below at least.

Point A at the bottom is very big - even bigger than similar points often are, IMHO. If Ed takes it, I'm currently toying with B, which seems possible at least on initial reading, and would seem to give me the lead. Hoever, I need to make sure to not lose the group of stones in the middle right if B is cut apart from the rest and lives separate close to the side.


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[go]$$Bm79
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 2 O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 6 4 O 1 X O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 5 3 . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X O O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . X , . X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . b . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]