[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X W . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X O X X W . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X O X X W . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
that trade was terrorable for black.... now his 'a' is not sente so he will have to answer my double approach... now i have thickness in the middle..so it will limit his option. dont get me wrong...black is still ahead. I am trying to pointout that he can finish me so easily and he is not doing it.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 am
by Uberdude
@Joaz
Joaz Banbeck wrote:If he doesn't answer this, I'll kill him.
Did you consider he might live in sente? Or perhaps live with a gote move which is bigger than the move you played?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:15 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The only reasonable move
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:31 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Uberdude wrote:
Did you consider he might live in sente?
Yes, of course. According to my reading, he can't.
Uberdude wrote:
... Or perhaps live with a gote move which is bigger than the move you played?
I got maybe four points. Or more if I get R12 first. He gets a point or two around M8 when he makes his second eye. He can get a little influence around L9. I don't see that as being worth much since we both have influence nearby. That seems a net profit for me.
And - if I read correctly - I still have the connection underneath at S6.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:34 am
by Uberdude
Joaz Banbeck wrote:The only reasonable move
It's certainly basic instinct, but is it really the best way to profit from attacking this group? Which result is better for black:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The second diagram black's nobi into the centre looks rather more valuable to me that faffing about on the right side. It really sucks if white gets to atari there and you do connect as it is horribly forced, but it also sucks to tenuki as then white is very strong if he captures the stone. If black realizes trading profit on the side for white profit in the centre is a bad way to attack the group, how about the below. Black's nobi at one is big to stop white attaching there for shape and doing mean things to the corner later. As super-added-magic-bonus has already connected at r12.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 3 6 8 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O 9 . . . . O X . . O . O O O 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 3 6 8 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O 9 . . . . O X . . O . O O O 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:40 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:51 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 am
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
these are the points that i considered but can not make up my mind. probe is always good because it will give your opponent a chance to make mistake...
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . b . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . d . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . a c . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . b . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . d . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . a c . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X 4 . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . 3 2 . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X 4 . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . 3 2 . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . 1 W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X 4 . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X 2 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . 5 3 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X 4 . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X 2 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . 5 3 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . 1 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:14 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Hmmm...I thought that my last move meant that he couldn't play that... I think that someone has seriously mis-read.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:16 am
by Phoenix
To Magicwand:
You've shown some sequences for top-left. But how will your 'probe' help you decide what to do with the lower left corner?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:26 pm
by Magicwand
Phoenix wrote:To Magicwand:
You've shown some sequences for top-left. But how will your 'probe' help you decide what to do with the lower left corner?
It will buy me time for one if he make big mistake on top then i dont have to attack severely and go easy. it is a probe...and great timing in my opinion. 3 stone handy is not easy...but if i shake him enough times he will make mistake and lose his
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:02 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I do not understand this.
It does not work as an invasion, for I can slide underneath. I does not work as a reduction for it still has to run - and due to my previous move, the running will not be pleasant. It is close to being a prisoner as it stands.
Has he gotten desperate, and is hoping that I will fall for a trap? Nope. I am ahead by a bit, I think, but there are far better opportunities in the lower left.
The attack point for this shape should be E15 - if anything works at all - but even if he splits me, we are runnning toward my stones.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O ? ? ? ? . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? # O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X ? ? ? ? ? ? # X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , ? ? ? ? ? , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . # . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O ? ? ? ? . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? # O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X ? ? ? ? ? ? # X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , ? ? ? ? ? , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . # . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The shaded area is where he seems to want to fight, but this is MY backyard. What is he thinking???
As I said in my previous post, SOMEBODY has mis-read.
I hope that it wasn't me.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:28 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I can even choose to cover the weak point immediately:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . 1 2 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . . . 1 2 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |[/go]
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | 4 X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . 3 1 O X X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . 2 B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . 6 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . | $$ | 4 X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . | $$ | . 3 1 O X X . . O X O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . 2 B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . 6 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have been inexact in previous posts: there are at least TWO places where someone has mis-read.
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:44 am
by topazg
@Joaz:
I'm curious, why do you expect magicwand to play the gote in your latest diagram ?
Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:13 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
topazg wrote:@Joaz:
I'm curious, why do you expect magicwand to play the gote in your latest diagram ?
I don't: he is way too strong for that. I merely used 3 as an example to show that even the most aggressive play still cannot hurt black.
The point behind it is to show that white has nothing; that black can defend easily. Or that I have mis-read.
has already connected at r12.
in your latest diagram ?