Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:41 am
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Kirby's Study Journal
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:05 am
by ez4u
In game 4 at move 100 you wrote, "Black is a bit behind, I think. White has a lot of points." But I think Black would still be in the game if you had played down at L3.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:42 am
by Kirby
ez4u wrote:In game 4 at move 100 you wrote, "Black is a bit behind, I think. White has a lot of points." But I think Black would still be in the game if you had played down at L3.
Could very well be. I feel in this game, my endgame was very bad in that white got most of the big points (including L3 area).
I think I made mistakes earlier, but I agree black probably had a chance at this point.
I really should figure out how to play endgame one of these days. It seems like "low hanging fruit", but when I sit down to study, I can't help but do life and death problems, so I never really learn endgame.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:05 pm
by Kirby
I played a game online. I won by a little bit, but there were some problems I encountered.
(;CA[utf-8]FF[4]ST[2]RU[Japanese]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]C[I played white this game.]
SZ[19]GM[1]DT[2013-08-22]PB[opponent]
BR[1k]PW[me]WR[1d]KM[0.5]TM[1500]RE[W+11.50]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[qd]BL[1497.94];W[dd]WL[1491.15];B[cp]BL[1495.42];W[pp]WL[1486.92];B[oc]BL[1491.5]
C[Here, it is tempting to play on the right, as it is a nice area for both the Q4 stone and the P17 enclosure.
However, I feel that the corner approach is bigger, so I played E4.]
;W[ep]WL[1452.92];B[gq]BL[1478.78]C[Typically I play C3 here. But I don't especially care for the shown variation.]
(;W[fo]WL[1271.85]C[Because of the items mentioned in the variation, I played F5, planning to treat the stones lightly so that I could get initiative on the right.
For example (see variation)...]
(;B[go]BL[1352.56]C[He played the contact move here.
I was almost tempted to play R10 anyway, but this touching move was too difficult to resist.
So I contemplated the following variation starting at C3.]
(;W[gn]WL[976.993]
(;B[gp]BL[1344.15]C[He played here, though.
What struck me immediately was that the previous effectiveness of F5 to prevent the cut was now void (see variation with pass).
To deal with this weakness, I decided to *now* play at C3 in an effort to prevent the connection underneath at E3.]
(;W[cq]WL[935.171];B[eq]BL[1324.94]C[But he played E3 anyway.
However, I felt this was not all bad, because I could play C5, and maybe make a position on the left.]
;W[co]WL[868.273];B[dq]BL[1308.18];W[dp]WL[811.254];B[bp]BL[1303.9]
(;W[cm]WL[786.399]C[Here, I tried to be fancy based on something I heard at a lecture at go congress.
But since he can just play B5 as in the game, maybe it's not that great. Probably I should do B5 in sente, then extend to D10 or so (see variation).]
;B[bo]BL[1300.71];W[cn]WL[762.051]C[I feel black is slightly ahead now.
White is cramped and overconcentrated.
C7 was a bad move.]
;B[cr]BL[1288.56];W[hn]WL[756.635];B[cg]BL[1279.7]C[Here I was at a loss. C11 or so seems too close to white's thickness.
So I decided I'd let him worry about the thickness, whiIe I made profit in the corner.]
;W[ce]WL[701.248];B[cj]BL[1269.52]C[Now, to add to the influence...];W[dh]WL[687.071]
;B[ch]BL[1258.07];W[dj]WL[685.688];B[di]BL[1240.32];W[ei]WL[684.6];B[ci]BL[1238.92]
;W[dk]WL[683.017];B[bf]BL[1231.58]C[I expected E12 instead of this. I don't mind this exchange as white.]
;W[be]WL[680.247];B[bl]BL[1225.8]C[I can almost ignore this move. I could play E12. Or maybe Q10 to complement the H6 area.
To be honest, I feel that's a little bit better now that I look at it.
See variation.]
(;W[bm]WL[669.82];B[eh]BL[1216.93];W[fi]WL[666.776];B[eg]BL[1214.67]C[Here, Q10 may be better. I wanted to expand my influen with G13.
I'm not sure about this, though, so I'll ask this in a diagram.]
;W[gg]WL[655.731];B[qj]BL[1211.98]C[Big point for black!];W[kc]WL[629.152]C[To prevent black playing here, I thought this was somewhat urgent.]
;B[qn]BL[1203.24]C[Defending passively lets black have his way. So a play at R8 seemed appropriate.]
;W[ql]WL[623.95];B[qq]BL[1201.1];W[qp]WL[613.584];B[pq]BL[1196.66];W[op]WL[611.083]
;B[rp]BL[1195.04];W[ro]WL[610.303];B[rq]BL[1193.77]
(;W[rn]WL[605.567]C[I think R5 is better. S6 just leaves aji.];B[nq]BL[1192.07]
;W[qh]WL[599.204];B[np]BL[1189.62];W[no]WL[582.213];B[mo]BL[1187.4];W[mn]WL[581.107]
C[He punished me well. I was too aggressive.];B[qo]BL[1176.64];W[on]WL[559.653]
;B[rm]BL[1170.46];W[rl]WL[547.598];B[sn]BL[1168.78];W[mp]WL[530.147];B[mq]BL[1165.43]
;W[lo]WL[528.231]C[I received some compensation, which worked alright with H6, but locally, I lost out.
I think the big mistake was to let him get O4. It was a great move.]
;B[ic]BL[1160.05];W[fc]WL[515.714];B[ie]BL[1155.72];W[ke]WL[510.85];B[ig]BL[1153.37]
;W[ii]WL[506.443];B[gf]BL[1150.77];W[ff]WL[502.301];B[ge]BL[1141.33];W[kg]WL[489.831]
;B[hg]BL[1137.72];W[jh]WL[481.39];B[fg]BL[1119.61];W[gh]WL[476.221];B[fe]BL[1117.49]
;W[df]WL[471.844];B[dg]BL[1115.05];W[ef]WL[469.389];B[gc]BL[1112.67];W[fd]WL[466.837]
;B[gd]BL[1102.96];W[fb]WL[455.493]C[Here I just wanted to keep sente. I wasn't sure if F18 was sente.]
;B[jb]BL[1084.46];W[qf]WL[449.114];B[jo]BL[1081.59];W[jn]WL[443.515];B[ko]BL[1079.37]
;W[kn]WL[441.943];B[kq]BL[1077.61];W[rd]WL[334.694];B[rc]BL[1073.9];W[re]WL[332.408]
;B[mc]BL[1071.29]
(;W[lb]WL[310.328]C[This is probably small. I think it's bigger to play O14 or so (variation)]
;B[oe]BL[1065.2];W[og]WL[306.833];B[ng]BL[1057.89];W[nh]WL[298.908];B[mg]BL[1053.18]
;W[mh]WL[297.541];B[of]BL[1051.13];W[lg]WL[286.008];B[pg]BL[1047.89];W[oh]WL[284.007]
;B[pf]BL[1043.29];W[ph]WL[280.04];B[qg]BL[1041.65];W[rg]WL[278.691];B[qe]BL[1039.62]
;W[rf]WL[276.516];B[me]BL[1022.38];W[nb]WL[265.368]C[This was probably not good, because of the cut at L16. I should have been wary of this.]
;B[mb]BL[1014.27];W[rb]WL[260.205];B[qc]BL[1009.92];W[jd]WL[163.813]C[I realized the cutting issue, so I played here.]
;B[kb]BL[1002.13];W[lc]WL[156.977];B[la]BL[1000.03];W[bk]WL[139.215];B[ck]BL[995.058]
;W[cl]WL[137.012];B[bj]BL[993.061];W[lp]WL[120.559]C[Tried to keep sente, as my endgame is not good.]
;B[lq]BL[990.153];W[io]WL[102.055];B[ip]BL[986.876];W[sc]WL[85.528];B[ee]BL[983.217]
;W[cf]WL[61.114];B[ed]BL[976.05];W[dc]WL[58.966];B[sl]BL[970.481];W[rk]WL[48.203]
;B[qm]BL[966.099];W[pl]WL[45.396];B[pm]BL[964.177];W[om]WL[43.354];B[sk]BL[962.585]
;W[sj]WL[41.854];B[sm]BL[961.299];W[rj]WL[26.94];B[ho]BL[953.294];W[pb]WL[21.876]
;B[qb]BL[950.068];W[qa]WL[19.814];B[in]BL[947.867];W[im]WL[18.003];B[ob]BL[944.467]
C[Maybe P19 is not good...?];W[oa]WL[12.87];B[pc]BL[942.6];OW[5]W[sb]WL[30];B[ra]
BL[940.249];OW[5]W[sa]WL[30];B[pa]BL[937.588];OW[5]W[oq]WL[30];B[or]BL[933.804]
;OW[5]W[pb]WL[30];B[ec]BL[927.566];OW[5]W[eb]WL[30];B[pa]BL[924.362];OW[5]W[pr]
WL[30];B[nr]BL[919.608];OW[5]W[pb]WL[30];B[bg]BL[890.277];OW[5]W[sd]WL[30];B[ae]
BL[880.449];OW[5]W[ad]WL[30];B[af]BL[879.132];OW[5]W[bc]WL[30];B[fp]BL[873.426]
;OW[5]W[fn]WL[30];B[pa]BL[864.741];OW[5]W[al]WL[30];B[ra]BL[856.486];OW[5]W[hb]
WL[30];B[gb]BL[852.405];OW[5]W[ga]WL[30];B[hc]BL[849.044];OW[5]W[qa]WL[30];B[fa]
BL[846.012];OW[5]W[ea]WL[30];B[na]BL[839.017];OW[5]W[an]WL[30];B[ib]BL[833.2];OW[5]
W[db]WL[30];B[ld]BL[828.992];OW[5]W[le]WL[30];B[md]BL[826.455];OW[5]W[kd]WL[30]
;B[po]BL[811.852];OW[5]W[oo]WL[30];B[ha]BL[807.451];OW[5]W[kp]WL[30];B[jp]BL[804.722]
;OW[5]W[ao]WL[30];B[ap]BL[795.312];OW[5]W[bn]WL[30];B[bq]BL[793.148];OW[5]W[aj]
WL[30];B[ai]BL[791.161];OW[5]W[jf]WL[30];B[if]BL[788.09]C[Rest of game is just my poor yose...]
;OW[5]W[id]WL[30];B[hd]BL[786.003];OW[5]W[mf]WL[30];B[nf]BL[782.96];OW[5]W[lf]WL[30]
;B[hh]BL[778.975];OW[5]W[hi]WL[30];B[fh]BL[777.41];OW[5]W[gi]WL[30];B[ak]BL[773.866]
;OW[5]W[pn]WL[30];B[so]BL[771.215];OW[5]W[aj]WL[30];B[eo]BL[767.705];OW[5]W[do]
WL[30];B[ak]BL[766.223];OW[5]W[bl]WL[30];B[aj]BL[761.178];OW[5]W[fa]WL[30];B[jg]
BL[748.998];OW[5]W[je]WL[30];B[ra]BL[746.526];OW[5]W[io]WL[30];B[qa]BL[738.031]
;OW[5]W[ih]WL[30];B[in]BL[734.927];OW[5]W[ka]WL[30];B[ja]BL[732.502];OW[5]W[io]
WL[30];B[bd]BL[723.582];OW[5]W[cd]WL[30];B[in]BL[721.563];OW[5]W[he]WL[30];B[hf]
BL[719.197];OW[5]W[io]WL[30];B[ac]BL[717.595];OW[5]W[ab]WL[30];B[in]BL[715.778]
;OW[5]W[de]WL[30];B[io]BL[711.625];OW[5]W[]WL[30];B[]BL[711.625]TB[bs][od][ia][ka]
[ma][oa][hb][nb][pb][nc][nd][pd][he][ne][pe][ag][ah][bh][dh][bi][rn][ro][hp][sp]
[aq][cq][fq][hq][iq][jq][sq][ar][br][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][pr]
[qr][rr][sr][as][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs]
[ss]TW[am][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][jm][km][sh][mm][nm][dn][en][ln][nn][eo][mo][aa][ba]
[ca][da][bb][cb][ac][cc][bd][lm][se][kf][sf][sg][kh][lh][rh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni]
[oi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][ek][fk]
[gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][fl][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][dl][el][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll]
[ml][nl][ol]C[I won by a little bit.])
(;W[nf]C[Perhaps this is bigger.]))
(;W[qo];B[nq]C[This is probably better.];W[mo];B[lq];W[qh]C[Maybe something like this...?]))
(;W[pj]C[Maybe something like this is OK.
Black has multiple ways to live, so my game move of B7 has little value, and he got sente anyway.
I think Q10 is much better.]))
(;W[bo];B[bq];W[dj]C[This seems more reasonable for white than the game.]))
(;W[];B[eq];W[dq];B[dp];W[fq];B[er];W[fr];B[fp]C[F5 is no longer effective.]))
(;B[ho]C[This is what I expected...];W[hn];B[io];W[in];B[jo];W[cn];B[do];W[dn];B[eo]
;W[en];B[fp];W[fn]C[This is similar to the variation starting at C3, but I felt it was better for white because of the aji around C4.]))
(;W[cq];B[bq];W[dq];B[br];W[gn];B[ho];W[hn];B[io];W[in];B[jo];W[cn]C[However...]
;B[do];W[dn];B[eo]C[There seemed to be problems with the cut around here.];W[en]
;B[fp];W[fn]C[Looking at the board, maybe it's not terrible due to white's wall \:-)
But there's a lot of territory that black got, even on the 5th line!
Because of this, I decided to omit the C3 exchange and do that immediately.
See what I expected in the variation starting at G6.]))
(;B[cm];W[qj]C[I felt OK about the E4 stones here, as I've only invested two stones and they're somewhat efficient.
Further, I got to play on the right side. It seemed good.]))
(;W[cq];B[dq];W[dp];B[eq];W[fq];B[fp];W[fr];B[cr];W[bq];B[er];W[co];B[gr];W[fo]
;B[gp];W[nq];B[qn]TR[do][eo]C[I don't like this that much because\:
1.) There are cutting points around the marked areas.
2.) The approach at R6 is great for black's development.
3.) The thick wall at G3 is powerful and makes it difficult for white to develop.
]))
SZ[19]GM[1]DT[2013-08-22]PB[opponent]
BR[1k]PW[me]WR[1d]KM[0.5]TM[1500]RE[W+11.50]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[qd]BL[1497.94];W[dd]WL[1491.15];B[cp]BL[1495.42];W[pp]WL[1486.92];B[oc]BL[1491.5]
C[Here, it is tempting to play on the right, as it is a nice area for both the Q4 stone and the P17 enclosure.
However, I feel that the corner approach is bigger, so I played E4.]
;W[ep]WL[1452.92];B[gq]BL[1478.78]C[Typically I play C3 here. But I don't especially care for the shown variation.]
(;W[fo]WL[1271.85]C[Because of the items mentioned in the variation, I played F5, planning to treat the stones lightly so that I could get initiative on the right.
For example (see variation)...]
(;B[go]BL[1352.56]C[He played the contact move here.
I was almost tempted to play R10 anyway, but this touching move was too difficult to resist.
So I contemplated the following variation starting at C3.]
(;W[gn]WL[976.993]
(;B[gp]BL[1344.15]C[He played here, though.
What struck me immediately was that the previous effectiveness of F5 to prevent the cut was now void (see variation with pass).
To deal with this weakness, I decided to *now* play at C3 in an effort to prevent the connection underneath at E3.]
(;W[cq]WL[935.171];B[eq]BL[1324.94]C[But he played E3 anyway.
However, I felt this was not all bad, because I could play C5, and maybe make a position on the left.]
;W[co]WL[868.273];B[dq]BL[1308.18];W[dp]WL[811.254];B[bp]BL[1303.9]
(;W[cm]WL[786.399]C[Here, I tried to be fancy based on something I heard at a lecture at go congress.
But since he can just play B5 as in the game, maybe it's not that great. Probably I should do B5 in sente, then extend to D10 or so (see variation).]
;B[bo]BL[1300.71];W[cn]WL[762.051]C[I feel black is slightly ahead now.
White is cramped and overconcentrated.
C7 was a bad move.]
;B[cr]BL[1288.56];W[hn]WL[756.635];B[cg]BL[1279.7]C[Here I was at a loss. C11 or so seems too close to white's thickness.
So I decided I'd let him worry about the thickness, whiIe I made profit in the corner.]
;W[ce]WL[701.248];B[cj]BL[1269.52]C[Now, to add to the influence...];W[dh]WL[687.071]
;B[ch]BL[1258.07];W[dj]WL[685.688];B[di]BL[1240.32];W[ei]WL[684.6];B[ci]BL[1238.92]
;W[dk]WL[683.017];B[bf]BL[1231.58]C[I expected E12 instead of this. I don't mind this exchange as white.]
;W[be]WL[680.247];B[bl]BL[1225.8]C[I can almost ignore this move. I could play E12. Or maybe Q10 to complement the H6 area.
To be honest, I feel that's a little bit better now that I look at it.
See variation.]
(;W[bm]WL[669.82];B[eh]BL[1216.93];W[fi]WL[666.776];B[eg]BL[1214.67]C[Here, Q10 may be better. I wanted to expand my influen with G13.
I'm not sure about this, though, so I'll ask this in a diagram.]
;W[gg]WL[655.731];B[qj]BL[1211.98]C[Big point for black!];W[kc]WL[629.152]C[To prevent black playing here, I thought this was somewhat urgent.]
;B[qn]BL[1203.24]C[Defending passively lets black have his way. So a play at R8 seemed appropriate.]
;W[ql]WL[623.95];B[qq]BL[1201.1];W[qp]WL[613.584];B[pq]BL[1196.66];W[op]WL[611.083]
;B[rp]BL[1195.04];W[ro]WL[610.303];B[rq]BL[1193.77]
(;W[rn]WL[605.567]C[I think R5 is better. S6 just leaves aji.];B[nq]BL[1192.07]
;W[qh]WL[599.204];B[np]BL[1189.62];W[no]WL[582.213];B[mo]BL[1187.4];W[mn]WL[581.107]
C[He punished me well. I was too aggressive.];B[qo]BL[1176.64];W[on]WL[559.653]
;B[rm]BL[1170.46];W[rl]WL[547.598];B[sn]BL[1168.78];W[mp]WL[530.147];B[mq]BL[1165.43]
;W[lo]WL[528.231]C[I received some compensation, which worked alright with H6, but locally, I lost out.
I think the big mistake was to let him get O4. It was a great move.]
;B[ic]BL[1160.05];W[fc]WL[515.714];B[ie]BL[1155.72];W[ke]WL[510.85];B[ig]BL[1153.37]
;W[ii]WL[506.443];B[gf]BL[1150.77];W[ff]WL[502.301];B[ge]BL[1141.33];W[kg]WL[489.831]
;B[hg]BL[1137.72];W[jh]WL[481.39];B[fg]BL[1119.61];W[gh]WL[476.221];B[fe]BL[1117.49]
;W[df]WL[471.844];B[dg]BL[1115.05];W[ef]WL[469.389];B[gc]BL[1112.67];W[fd]WL[466.837]
;B[gd]BL[1102.96];W[fb]WL[455.493]C[Here I just wanted to keep sente. I wasn't sure if F18 was sente.]
;B[jb]BL[1084.46];W[qf]WL[449.114];B[jo]BL[1081.59];W[jn]WL[443.515];B[ko]BL[1079.37]
;W[kn]WL[441.943];B[kq]BL[1077.61];W[rd]WL[334.694];B[rc]BL[1073.9];W[re]WL[332.408]
;B[mc]BL[1071.29]
(;W[lb]WL[310.328]C[This is probably small. I think it's bigger to play O14 or so (variation)]
;B[oe]BL[1065.2];W[og]WL[306.833];B[ng]BL[1057.89];W[nh]WL[298.908];B[mg]BL[1053.18]
;W[mh]WL[297.541];B[of]BL[1051.13];W[lg]WL[286.008];B[pg]BL[1047.89];W[oh]WL[284.007]
;B[pf]BL[1043.29];W[ph]WL[280.04];B[qg]BL[1041.65];W[rg]WL[278.691];B[qe]BL[1039.62]
;W[rf]WL[276.516];B[me]BL[1022.38];W[nb]WL[265.368]C[This was probably not good, because of the cut at L16. I should have been wary of this.]
;B[mb]BL[1014.27];W[rb]WL[260.205];B[qc]BL[1009.92];W[jd]WL[163.813]C[I realized the cutting issue, so I played here.]
;B[kb]BL[1002.13];W[lc]WL[156.977];B[la]BL[1000.03];W[bk]WL[139.215];B[ck]BL[995.058]
;W[cl]WL[137.012];B[bj]BL[993.061];W[lp]WL[120.559]C[Tried to keep sente, as my endgame is not good.]
;B[lq]BL[990.153];W[io]WL[102.055];B[ip]BL[986.876];W[sc]WL[85.528];B[ee]BL[983.217]
;W[cf]WL[61.114];B[ed]BL[976.05];W[dc]WL[58.966];B[sl]BL[970.481];W[rk]WL[48.203]
;B[qm]BL[966.099];W[pl]WL[45.396];B[pm]BL[964.177];W[om]WL[43.354];B[sk]BL[962.585]
;W[sj]WL[41.854];B[sm]BL[961.299];W[rj]WL[26.94];B[ho]BL[953.294];W[pb]WL[21.876]
;B[qb]BL[950.068];W[qa]WL[19.814];B[in]BL[947.867];W[im]WL[18.003];B[ob]BL[944.467]
C[Maybe P19 is not good...?];W[oa]WL[12.87];B[pc]BL[942.6];OW[5]W[sb]WL[30];B[ra]
BL[940.249];OW[5]W[sa]WL[30];B[pa]BL[937.588];OW[5]W[oq]WL[30];B[or]BL[933.804]
;OW[5]W[pb]WL[30];B[ec]BL[927.566];OW[5]W[eb]WL[30];B[pa]BL[924.362];OW[5]W[pr]
WL[30];B[nr]BL[919.608];OW[5]W[pb]WL[30];B[bg]BL[890.277];OW[5]W[sd]WL[30];B[ae]
BL[880.449];OW[5]W[ad]WL[30];B[af]BL[879.132];OW[5]W[bc]WL[30];B[fp]BL[873.426]
;OW[5]W[fn]WL[30];B[pa]BL[864.741];OW[5]W[al]WL[30];B[ra]BL[856.486];OW[5]W[hb]
WL[30];B[gb]BL[852.405];OW[5]W[ga]WL[30];B[hc]BL[849.044];OW[5]W[qa]WL[30];B[fa]
BL[846.012];OW[5]W[ea]WL[30];B[na]BL[839.017];OW[5]W[an]WL[30];B[ib]BL[833.2];OW[5]
W[db]WL[30];B[ld]BL[828.992];OW[5]W[le]WL[30];B[md]BL[826.455];OW[5]W[kd]WL[30]
;B[po]BL[811.852];OW[5]W[oo]WL[30];B[ha]BL[807.451];OW[5]W[kp]WL[30];B[jp]BL[804.722]
;OW[5]W[ao]WL[30];B[ap]BL[795.312];OW[5]W[bn]WL[30];B[bq]BL[793.148];OW[5]W[aj]
WL[30];B[ai]BL[791.161];OW[5]W[jf]WL[30];B[if]BL[788.09]C[Rest of game is just my poor yose...]
;OW[5]W[id]WL[30];B[hd]BL[786.003];OW[5]W[mf]WL[30];B[nf]BL[782.96];OW[5]W[lf]WL[30]
;B[hh]BL[778.975];OW[5]W[hi]WL[30];B[fh]BL[777.41];OW[5]W[gi]WL[30];B[ak]BL[773.866]
;OW[5]W[pn]WL[30];B[so]BL[771.215];OW[5]W[aj]WL[30];B[eo]BL[767.705];OW[5]W[do]
WL[30];B[ak]BL[766.223];OW[5]W[bl]WL[30];B[aj]BL[761.178];OW[5]W[fa]WL[30];B[jg]
BL[748.998];OW[5]W[je]WL[30];B[ra]BL[746.526];OW[5]W[io]WL[30];B[qa]BL[738.031]
;OW[5]W[ih]WL[30];B[in]BL[734.927];OW[5]W[ka]WL[30];B[ja]BL[732.502];OW[5]W[io]
WL[30];B[bd]BL[723.582];OW[5]W[cd]WL[30];B[in]BL[721.563];OW[5]W[he]WL[30];B[hf]
BL[719.197];OW[5]W[io]WL[30];B[ac]BL[717.595];OW[5]W[ab]WL[30];B[in]BL[715.778]
;OW[5]W[de]WL[30];B[io]BL[711.625];OW[5]W[]WL[30];B[]BL[711.625]TB[bs][od][ia][ka]
[ma][oa][hb][nb][pb][nc][nd][pd][he][ne][pe][ag][ah][bh][dh][bi][rn][ro][hp][sp]
[aq][cq][fq][hq][iq][jq][sq][ar][br][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][pr]
[qr][rr][sr][as][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs]
[ss]TW[am][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][jm][km][sh][mm][nm][dn][en][ln][nn][eo][mo][aa][ba]
[ca][da][bb][cb][ac][cc][bd][lm][se][kf][sf][sg][kh][lh][rh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni]
[oi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][ek][fk]
[gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][fl][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][dl][el][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll]
[ml][nl][ol]C[I won by a little bit.])
(;W[nf]C[Perhaps this is bigger.]))
(;W[qo];B[nq]C[This is probably better.];W[mo];B[lq];W[qh]C[Maybe something like this...?]))
(;W[pj]C[Maybe something like this is OK.
Black has multiple ways to live, so my game move of B7 has little value, and he got sente anyway.
I think Q10 is much better.]))
(;W[bo];B[bq];W[dj]C[This seems more reasonable for white than the game.]))
(;W[];B[eq];W[dq];B[dp];W[fq];B[er];W[fr];B[fp]C[F5 is no longer effective.]))
(;B[ho]C[This is what I expected...];W[hn];B[io];W[in];B[jo];W[cn];B[do];W[dn];B[eo]
;W[en];B[fp];W[fn]C[This is similar to the variation starting at C3, but I felt it was better for white because of the aji around C4.]))
(;W[cq];B[bq];W[dq];B[br];W[gn];B[ho];W[hn];B[io];W[in];B[jo];W[cn]C[However...]
;B[do];W[dn];B[eo]C[There seemed to be problems with the cut around here.];W[en]
;B[fp];W[fn]C[Looking at the board, maybe it's not terrible due to white's wall \:-)
But there's a lot of territory that black got, even on the 5th line!
Because of this, I decided to omit the C3 exchange and do that immediately.
See what I expected in the variation starting at G6.]))
(;B[cm];W[qj]C[I felt OK about the E4 stones here, as I've only invested two stones and they're somewhat efficient.
Further, I got to play on the right side. It seemed good.]))
(;W[cq];B[dq];W[dp];B[eq];W[fq];B[fp];W[fr];B[cr];W[bq];B[er];W[co];B[gr];W[fo]
;B[gp];W[nq];B[qn]TR[do][eo]C[I don't like this that much because\:
1.) There are cutting points around the marked areas.
2.) The approach at R6 is great for black's development.
3.) The thick wall at G3 is powerful and makes it difficult for white to develop.
]))
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:08 pm
by Kirby
Based on the game I just played, I wondered what the biggest point is at this point in the game:
I'm thinking maybe something like this:
What do you think?
$$B Move 35
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Move 35
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm thinking maybe something like this:
$$B Move 35
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B Move 35
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What do you think?
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:08 pm
by Kirby
In the game, I played move 40 here:
How does this compare to:
Is there a better move?
$$W Move 40
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$W Move 40
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
How does this compare to:
$$W Move 40
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Move 40
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is there a better move?
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:09 pm
by Kirby
Any other comments on the game are welcome.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:22 am
by Loons
11 - looking up the joseki was interesting. The first joseki given in Takao's is just the stylish H6, black E3. Later, white has d3 d4 d2 to get a ko for the corner or other follow ups.
26 - Seemed a bit eager to me.
34 - I was tempted to wrap around the outside instead, though that seems weak territorially. What do you think?
36 & 40 - both surely better at q10
I'll look more tomorrow.
26 - Seemed a bit eager to me.
34 - I was tempted to wrap around the outside instead, though that seems weak territorially. What do you think?
36 & 40 - both surely better at q10
I'll look more tomorrow.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:03 am
by SoDesuNe
I'm a bit rusty, so I hope I didn't write too many stupid things ^^ Just a few comments on how I would have played : )
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[me]PB[opponent]WR[1d]BR[1k]DT[2013-08-22]RE[W+11.50]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[qd]BL[1497.94]
;W[dd]WL[1491.15]
;B[cp]BL[1495.42]
;W[pp]WL[1486.92]
;B[oc]BL[1491.5]
;W[ep]WL[1452.92]C[SoDesuNe:
I would play here as well.
Approaching the corner and preventing a second Shimari while simultanously extending from your Hoshi seems better (more active!) than occupying the big point on the right.]
;B[gq]BL[1478.78]
(;W[fo]WL[1271.85]TR[cq]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd have played C3 without a second thought. Further comments within your variation.
I'm generally not a fan of this move. In this particular situation with the Cross-Fuseki, I think the center is not important because it will be hard to form a Moyo.]
;B[go]BL[1352.56]
;W[gn]WL[976.993]
;B[gp]BL[1344.15]LB[ho:A]C[SoDesuNe
Joseki move, although A would be Joseki as well.]
;W[cq]WL[935.171]LB[hn:A][dq:B]C[SoDesuNe:
A seems to me shape-wise the only move and is also a Joseki move. B would be Joseki, too, to neglect Black's connection.
Overall though, I don't know what White can do with his center facing shape.]
;B[eq]BL[1324.94]
;W[co]WL[868.273]
;B[dq]BL[1308.18]
;W[dp]WL[811.254]
;B[bp]BL[1303.9]
(;W[cm]WL[786.399]C[SoDesuNe:
I also prefer your variation.]
;B[bo]BL[1300.71]
;W[cn]WL[762.051]
;B[cr]BL[1288.56]
;W[hn]WL[756.635]
;B[cg]BL[1279.7]LB[ce:B][ci:A][cj:C]C[SoDesuNe:
I would have played A.
B takes nice profit but when Black extends to C, I feel he has enough room to not get attacked severely and White's influence goes to vain.]
;W[ce]WL[701.248]
;B[cj]BL[1269.52]
;W[dh]WL[687.071]C[SoDesuNe:
I think going for the center in a Cross-Fuseki is a difficult strategy if you're not Huang Lonshi. I feel Black is now defintely ahead.]
;B[ch]BL[1258.07]
;W[dj]WL[685.688]
;B[di]BL[1240.32]
;W[ei]WL[684.6]
;B[ci]BL[1238.92]
;W[dk]WL[683.017]
;B[bf]BL[1231.58]LB[eh:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Second line... Can't be good. Just A is enough.]
;W[be]WL[680.247]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd play A without thinking twice here. You need to work with all your center-facing stones.
The descent just defends but does not really do anything else.]
;B[bl]BL[1225.8]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
A.]
;W[bm]WL[669.82]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
As you said yourself: A is much better.]
;B[eh]BL[1216.93]
;W[fi]WL[666.776]
;B[eg]BL[1214.67]
;W[gg]WL[655.731]LB[qf:B][pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Still Q10.
This move does not really achieve much. It does not attack, it does not secure the center, it has no follow-up.
Whereas A is an extension towards Black's Shimari and from your own corner. A emphasizes the center and makes your stones work together. A has a good follow-up around B which opens plays in the corner.
]
;B[qj]BL[1211.98]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd play high here to balance Black's position and keep the center in check.]
;W[kc]WL[629.152]LB[fc:B][oj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I like A - still with the same reasoning. You have to work with your center.
As for this move: It does prevent Black's double extension but it does not really work together with your stones, I feel. Since Black is strong everywhere he can just enter around B and take territory again.]
;B[qn]BL[1203.24]
;W[ql]WL[623.95]LB[oj:9][pj:7][nk:8][pk:4][nm:10][on:1][rp:3][kq:6][nq:2][qq:5]C[SoDesuNe:
I don't like this move. 1 to 10 could be one variation for Black and it's great for Black.]
;B[qq]BL[1201.1]C[SoDesuNe:
Give White what he wants: To control the center.]
;W[qp]WL[613.584]
;B[pq]BL[1196.66]
;W[op]WL[611.083]
;B[rp]BL[1195.04]
;W[ro]WL[610.303]
;B[rq]BL[1193.77]
;W[rn]WL[605.567]C[SoDesuNe:
R5, yes.]
;B[nq]BL[1192.07]
;W[qh]WL[599.204]LB[rd:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe White could start a bit more fancy with A, probing what Black wants? Most likely Black will go for the corner so that you can force some sort of shape and the pincer this stone.]
;B[np]BL[1189.62]
;W[no]WL[582.213]
;B[mo]BL[1187.4]
;W[mn]WL[581.107]C[SoDesuNe:
Bad shape punishes itself ; ) (R5)]
;B[qo]BL[1176.64]
;W[on]WL[559.653]
;B[rm]BL[1170.46]
;W[rl]WL[547.598]
;B[sn]BL[1168.78]
;W[mp]WL[530.147]
;B[mq]BL[1165.43]
;W[lo]WL[528.231]C[SoDesuNe:
This seems quite good for White overall if you can take that center.]
;B[ic]BL[1160.05]LB[fc:A][ph:B]C[SoDesuNe:
I was pondering between A and B here for Black. Most likely I would end up with B because if I can live in the center there is no way White can win.]
;W[fc]WL[515.714]LB[gc:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I feel this is too defensive. At least A, so you could connect your stone.]
;B[ie]BL[1155.72]
;W[ke]WL[510.85]
;B[ig]BL[1153.37]
;W[ii]WL[506.443]
;B[gf]BL[1150.77]LB[jh:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Seems to me the wrong direction. A to advance in the center and slowly surround White at the top.]
;W[ff]WL[502.301]
;B[ge]BL[1141.33]
;W[kg]WL[489.831]
;B[hg]BL[1137.72]
;W[jh]WL[481.39]
;B[fg]BL[1119.61]
;W[gh]WL[476.221]
;B[fe]BL[1117.49]
;W[df]WL[471.844]
;B[dg]BL[1115.05]
;W[ef]WL[469.389]
;B[gc]BL[1112.67]
;W[fd]WL[466.837]
;B[gd]BL[1102.96]
;W[fb]WL[455.493]
;B[jb]BL[1084.46]C[SoDesuNe:
Seems locally quite good for White.]
;W[qf]WL[449.114]TR[qj]C[SoDesuNe:
Very big! The marked stone is now certainly dead.]
;B[jo]BL[1081.59]
;W[jn]WL[443.515]
;B[ko]BL[1079.37]
;W[kn]WL[441.943]
;B[kq]BL[1077.61]
;W[rd]WL[334.694]
;B[rc]BL[1073.9]
;W[re]WL[332.408]
;B[mc]BL[1071.29]
;W[lb]WL[310.328]LB[kb:C][pd:A][ne:B]C[SoDesuNe:
First A then B? C is better than this move too because it puts more pressure on the Black group to the left.
END OF COMMENTS.]
;B[oe]BL[1065.2]
;W[og]WL[306.833]
;B[ng]BL[1057.89]
;W[nh]WL[298.908]
;B[mg]BL[1053.18]
;W[mh]WL[297.541]
;B[of]BL[1051.13]
;W[lg]WL[286.008]
;B[pg]BL[1047.89]
;W[oh]WL[284.007]
;B[pf]BL[1043.29]
;W[ph]WL[280.04]
;B[qg]BL[1041.65]
;W[rg]WL[278.691]
;B[qe]BL[1039.62]
;W[rf]WL[276.516]
;B[me]BL[1022.38]
;W[nb]WL[265.368]
;B[mb]BL[1014.27]
;W[rb]WL[260.205]
;B[qc]BL[1009.92]
;W[jd]WL[163.813]
;B[kb]BL[1002.13]
;W[lc]WL[156.977]
;B[la]BL[1000.03]
;W[bk]WL[139.215]
;B[ck]BL[995.058]
;W[cl]WL[137.012]
;B[bj]BL[993.061]
;W[lp]WL[120.559]
;B[lq]BL[990.153]
;W[io]WL[102.055]
;B[ip]BL[986.876]
;W[sc]WL[85.528]
;B[ee]BL[983.217]
;W[cf]WL[61.114]
;B[ed]BL[976.05]
;W[dc]WL[58.966]
;B[sl]BL[970.481]
;W[rk]WL[48.203]
;B[qm]BL[966.099]
;W[pl]WL[45.396]
;B[pm]BL[964.177]
;W[om]WL[43.354]
;B[sk]BL[962.585]
;W[sj]WL[41.854]
;B[sm]BL[961.299]
;W[rj]WL[26.94]
;B[ho]BL[953.294]
;W[pb]WL[21.876]
;B[qb]BL[950.068]
;W[qa]WL[19.814]
;B[in]BL[947.867]
;W[im]WL[18.003]
;B[ob]BL[944.467]
;W[oa]WL[12.87]
;B[pc]BL[942.6]
;W[sb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ra]BL[940.249]
;W[sa]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[pa]BL[937.588]
;W[oq]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[or]BL[933.804]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ec]BL[927.566]
;W[eb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[pa]BL[924.362]
;W[pr]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[nr]BL[919.608]
;W[pb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bg]BL[890.277]
;W[sd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ae]BL[880.449]
;W[ad]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[af]BL[879.132]
;W[bc]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fp]BL[873.426]
;W[fn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[pa]BL[864.741]
;W[al]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ra]BL[856.486]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[gb]BL[852.405]
;W[ga]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hc]BL[849.044]
;W[qa]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fa]BL[846.012]
;W[ea]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[na]BL[839.017]
;W[an]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ib]BL[833.2]
;W[db]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ld]BL[828.992]
;W[le]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[md]BL[826.455]
;W[kd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[po]BL[811.852]
;W[oo]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ha]BL[807.451]
;W[kp]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jp]BL[804.722]
;W[ao]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ap]BL[795.312]
;W[bn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bq]BL[793.148]
;W[aj]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ai]BL[791.161]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[if]BL[788.09]
;W[id]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hd]BL[786.003]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[nf]BL[782.96]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hh]BL[778.975]
;W[hi]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[fh]BL[777.41]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ak]BL[773.866]
;W[pn]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[so]BL[771.215]
;W[aj]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[eo]BL[767.705]
;W[do]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ak]BL[766.223]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[aj]BL[761.178]
;W[fa]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jg]BL[748.998]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ra]BL[746.526]
;W[io]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[qa]BL[738.031]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[734.927]
;W[ka]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ja]BL[732.502]
;W[io]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bd]BL[723.582]
;W[cd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[721.563]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hf]BL[719.197]
;W[io]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ac]BL[717.595]
;W[ab]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[715.778]
;W[de]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[io]BL[711.625]
;W[]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[]BL[711.625]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][bb][cb][ac][cc][bd][se][kf][sf][sg][kh][lh][rh][sh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][ek][fk][gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][am][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][jm][km][lm][mm][nm][dn][en][ln][nn][eo][mo]TB[ia][ka][ma][oa][hb][nb][pb][nc][nd][od][pd][he][ne][pe][ag][ah][bh][dh][bi][rn][ro][hp][sp][aq][cq][fq][hq][iq][jq][sq][ar][br][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss])
(;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[dj]C[This seems more reasonable for white than the game.]))
(;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[dp]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[fp]
;W[fr]
;B[cr]
;W[bq]
;B[er]
;W[co]
;B[gr]
;W[fo]
;B[gp]
;W[nq]C[SoDesuNe:
Just for this move, I like the bottom left variation. Of course Black's corner is nice and your shape is not the best but I feel White has more potential overall.]
;B[qn]LB[pj:3][pn:2][qo:1]TR[do][eo]C[I don't like this that much because:
1.) There are cutting points around the marked areas.
2.) The approach at R6 is great for black's development.
3.) The thick wall at G3 is powerful and makes it difficult for white to develop.
SoDesuNe:
I do like this because:
1.) The approach at R6 can easily be pincered while taking the corner and neglecting a Black framework on the right (e.g. 1-3).
2.) Black's wall around G3 has no potential because White got Sente to defend the corner at O3 while simultanously neglecting Black's thickness.
3.) The cutting points in the marked area are for now irrelevant, in my opinion. The shape itself has potential to make something out of the left side, though.]))
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[me]PB[opponent]WR[1d]BR[1k]DT[2013-08-22]RE[W+11.50]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[qd]BL[1497.94]
;W[dd]WL[1491.15]
;B[cp]BL[1495.42]
;W[pp]WL[1486.92]
;B[oc]BL[1491.5]
;W[ep]WL[1452.92]C[SoDesuNe:
I would play here as well.
Approaching the corner and preventing a second Shimari while simultanously extending from your Hoshi seems better (more active!) than occupying the big point on the right.]
;B[gq]BL[1478.78]
(;W[fo]WL[1271.85]TR[cq]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd have played C3 without a second thought. Further comments within your variation.
I'm generally not a fan of this move. In this particular situation with the Cross-Fuseki, I think the center is not important because it will be hard to form a Moyo.]
;B[go]BL[1352.56]
;W[gn]WL[976.993]
;B[gp]BL[1344.15]LB[ho:A]C[SoDesuNe
Joseki move, although A would be Joseki as well.]
;W[cq]WL[935.171]LB[hn:A][dq:B]C[SoDesuNe:
A seems to me shape-wise the only move and is also a Joseki move. B would be Joseki, too, to neglect Black's connection.
Overall though, I don't know what White can do with his center facing shape.]
;B[eq]BL[1324.94]
;W[co]WL[868.273]
;B[dq]BL[1308.18]
;W[dp]WL[811.254]
;B[bp]BL[1303.9]
(;W[cm]WL[786.399]C[SoDesuNe:
I also prefer your variation.]
;B[bo]BL[1300.71]
;W[cn]WL[762.051]
;B[cr]BL[1288.56]
;W[hn]WL[756.635]
;B[cg]BL[1279.7]LB[ce:B][ci:A][cj:C]C[SoDesuNe:
I would have played A.
B takes nice profit but when Black extends to C, I feel he has enough room to not get attacked severely and White's influence goes to vain.]
;W[ce]WL[701.248]
;B[cj]BL[1269.52]
;W[dh]WL[687.071]C[SoDesuNe:
I think going for the center in a Cross-Fuseki is a difficult strategy if you're not Huang Lonshi. I feel Black is now defintely ahead.]
;B[ch]BL[1258.07]
;W[dj]WL[685.688]
;B[di]BL[1240.32]
;W[ei]WL[684.6]
;B[ci]BL[1238.92]
;W[dk]WL[683.017]
;B[bf]BL[1231.58]LB[eh:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Second line... Can't be good. Just A is enough.]
;W[be]WL[680.247]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd play A without thinking twice here. You need to work with all your center-facing stones.
The descent just defends but does not really do anything else.]
;B[bl]BL[1225.8]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
A.]
;W[bm]WL[669.82]LB[pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
As you said yourself: A is much better.]
;B[eh]BL[1216.93]
;W[fi]WL[666.776]
;B[eg]BL[1214.67]
;W[gg]WL[655.731]LB[qf:B][pj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Still Q10.
This move does not really achieve much. It does not attack, it does not secure the center, it has no follow-up.
Whereas A is an extension towards Black's Shimari and from your own corner. A emphasizes the center and makes your stones work together. A has a good follow-up around B which opens plays in the corner.
]
;B[qj]BL[1211.98]C[SoDesuNe:
I'd play high here to balance Black's position and keep the center in check.]
;W[kc]WL[629.152]LB[fc:B][oj:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I like A - still with the same reasoning. You have to work with your center.
As for this move: It does prevent Black's double extension but it does not really work together with your stones, I feel. Since Black is strong everywhere he can just enter around B and take territory again.]
;B[qn]BL[1203.24]
;W[ql]WL[623.95]LB[oj:9][pj:7][nk:8][pk:4][nm:10][on:1][rp:3][kq:6][nq:2][qq:5]C[SoDesuNe:
I don't like this move. 1 to 10 could be one variation for Black and it's great for Black.]
;B[qq]BL[1201.1]C[SoDesuNe:
Give White what he wants: To control the center.]
;W[qp]WL[613.584]
;B[pq]BL[1196.66]
;W[op]WL[611.083]
;B[rp]BL[1195.04]
;W[ro]WL[610.303]
;B[rq]BL[1193.77]
;W[rn]WL[605.567]C[SoDesuNe:
R5, yes.]
;B[nq]BL[1192.07]
;W[qh]WL[599.204]LB[rd:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe White could start a bit more fancy with A, probing what Black wants? Most likely Black will go for the corner so that you can force some sort of shape and the pincer this stone.]
;B[np]BL[1189.62]
;W[no]WL[582.213]
;B[mo]BL[1187.4]
;W[mn]WL[581.107]C[SoDesuNe:
Bad shape punishes itself ; ) (R5)]
;B[qo]BL[1176.64]
;W[on]WL[559.653]
;B[rm]BL[1170.46]
;W[rl]WL[547.598]
;B[sn]BL[1168.78]
;W[mp]WL[530.147]
;B[mq]BL[1165.43]
;W[lo]WL[528.231]C[SoDesuNe:
This seems quite good for White overall if you can take that center.]
;B[ic]BL[1160.05]LB[fc:A][ph:B]C[SoDesuNe:
I was pondering between A and B here for Black. Most likely I would end up with B because if I can live in the center there is no way White can win.]
;W[fc]WL[515.714]LB[gc:A]C[SoDesuNe:
I feel this is too defensive. At least A, so you could connect your stone.]
;B[ie]BL[1155.72]
;W[ke]WL[510.85]
;B[ig]BL[1153.37]
;W[ii]WL[506.443]
;B[gf]BL[1150.77]LB[jh:A]C[SoDesuNe:
Seems to me the wrong direction. A to advance in the center and slowly surround White at the top.]
;W[ff]WL[502.301]
;B[ge]BL[1141.33]
;W[kg]WL[489.831]
;B[hg]BL[1137.72]
;W[jh]WL[481.39]
;B[fg]BL[1119.61]
;W[gh]WL[476.221]
;B[fe]BL[1117.49]
;W[df]WL[471.844]
;B[dg]BL[1115.05]
;W[ef]WL[469.389]
;B[gc]BL[1112.67]
;W[fd]WL[466.837]
;B[gd]BL[1102.96]
;W[fb]WL[455.493]
;B[jb]BL[1084.46]C[SoDesuNe:
Seems locally quite good for White.]
;W[qf]WL[449.114]TR[qj]C[SoDesuNe:
Very big! The marked stone is now certainly dead.]
;B[jo]BL[1081.59]
;W[jn]WL[443.515]
;B[ko]BL[1079.37]
;W[kn]WL[441.943]
;B[kq]BL[1077.61]
;W[rd]WL[334.694]
;B[rc]BL[1073.9]
;W[re]WL[332.408]
;B[mc]BL[1071.29]
;W[lb]WL[310.328]LB[kb:C][pd:A][ne:B]C[SoDesuNe:
First A then B? C is better than this move too because it puts more pressure on the Black group to the left.
END OF COMMENTS.]
;B[oe]BL[1065.2]
;W[og]WL[306.833]
;B[ng]BL[1057.89]
;W[nh]WL[298.908]
;B[mg]BL[1053.18]
;W[mh]WL[297.541]
;B[of]BL[1051.13]
;W[lg]WL[286.008]
;B[pg]BL[1047.89]
;W[oh]WL[284.007]
;B[pf]BL[1043.29]
;W[ph]WL[280.04]
;B[qg]BL[1041.65]
;W[rg]WL[278.691]
;B[qe]BL[1039.62]
;W[rf]WL[276.516]
;B[me]BL[1022.38]
;W[nb]WL[265.368]
;B[mb]BL[1014.27]
;W[rb]WL[260.205]
;B[qc]BL[1009.92]
;W[jd]WL[163.813]
;B[kb]BL[1002.13]
;W[lc]WL[156.977]
;B[la]BL[1000.03]
;W[bk]WL[139.215]
;B[ck]BL[995.058]
;W[cl]WL[137.012]
;B[bj]BL[993.061]
;W[lp]WL[120.559]
;B[lq]BL[990.153]
;W[io]WL[102.055]
;B[ip]BL[986.876]
;W[sc]WL[85.528]
;B[ee]BL[983.217]
;W[cf]WL[61.114]
;B[ed]BL[976.05]
;W[dc]WL[58.966]
;B[sl]BL[970.481]
;W[rk]WL[48.203]
;B[qm]BL[966.099]
;W[pl]WL[45.396]
;B[pm]BL[964.177]
;W[om]WL[43.354]
;B[sk]BL[962.585]
;W[sj]WL[41.854]
;B[sm]BL[961.299]
;W[rj]WL[26.94]
;B[ho]BL[953.294]
;W[pb]WL[21.876]
;B[qb]BL[950.068]
;W[qa]WL[19.814]
;B[in]BL[947.867]
;W[im]WL[18.003]
;B[ob]BL[944.467]
;W[oa]WL[12.87]
;B[pc]BL[942.6]
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;B[ra]BL[940.249]
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;B[pa]BL[937.588]
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;B[or]BL[933.804]
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;B[ae]BL[880.449]
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;B[fp]BL[873.426]
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;B[bq]BL[793.148]
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;B[ai]BL[791.161]
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;B[eo]BL[767.705]
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;B[ak]BL[766.223]
;W[bl]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[aj]BL[761.178]
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;B[jg]BL[748.998]
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;B[in]BL[734.927]
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;B[ja]BL[732.502]
;W[io]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[bd]BL[723.582]
;W[cd]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[721.563]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hf]BL[719.197]
;W[io]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[ac]BL[717.595]
;W[ab]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[in]BL[715.778]
;W[de]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[io]BL[711.625]
;W[]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[]BL[711.625]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][bb][cb][ac][cc][bd][se][kf][sf][sg][kh][lh][rh][sh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][ej][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][ek][fk][gk][hk][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][am][dm][em][fm][gm][hm][jm][km][lm][mm][nm][dn][en][ln][nn][eo][mo]TB[ia][ka][ma][oa][hb][nb][pb][nc][nd][od][pd][he][ne][pe][ag][ah][bh][dh][bi][rn][ro][hp][sp][aq][cq][fq][hq][iq][jq][sq][ar][br][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss])
(;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[dj]C[This seems more reasonable for white than the game.]))
(;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[dp]
;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[fp]
;W[fr]
;B[cr]
;W[bq]
;B[er]
;W[co]
;B[gr]
;W[fo]
;B[gp]
;W[nq]C[SoDesuNe:
Just for this move, I like the bottom left variation. Of course Black's corner is nice and your shape is not the best but I feel White has more potential overall.]
;B[qn]LB[pj:3][pn:2][qo:1]TR[do][eo]C[I don't like this that much because:
1.) There are cutting points around the marked areas.
2.) The approach at R6 is great for black's development.
3.) The thick wall at G3 is powerful and makes it difficult for white to develop.
SoDesuNe:
I do like this because:
1.) The approach at R6 can easily be pincered while taking the corner and neglecting a Black framework on the right (e.g. 1-3).
2.) Black's wall around G3 has no potential because White got Sente to defend the corner at O3 while simultanously neglecting Black's thickness.
3.) The cutting points in the marked area are for now irrelevant, in my opinion. The shape itself has potential to make something out of the left side, though.]))
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:22 am
by ez4u
In the lower left, let's look at what happened. Below is one standard continuation when White extends at 
. IMHO this is what White should have done in the game.
The end result of what actually took place is below. In effect White passes at the end of the joseki.
I would probably have played
above at below to make the best of a bad situation. Black gets in 
and 
before returning to 
but White shuts off the side in better shape.
. IMHO this is what White should have done in the game.$$Wc One joseki
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[go]$$Wc One joseki
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The end result of what actually took place is below. In effect White passes at the end of the joseki.
$$Wc Tewari of Game Continuation
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[go]$$Wc Tewari of Game Continuation
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I would probably have played
above at below to make the best of a bad situation. Black gets in and before returning to but White shuts off the side in better shape.$$Wc How about this?
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[go]$$Wc How about this?
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Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:37 am
by ez4u
Kirby wrote:Based on the game I just played, I wondered what the biggest point is at this point in the game:$$Bc Move 35
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[go]$$Bc Move 35
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I'm thinking maybe something like this:$$Bc Move 35
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[go]$$Bc Move 35
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What do you think?
In the actual game, White answered Black's cut at E12 with F11, allowing Black to cleanly capture the D12 stone. So in effect, Black 35 (
in the diagram) was a threat to connect two living groups along the second line. White definitely should not have answered it. The alternative of Q10 on the right instead of B7 on the left is an excellent move.One alternative that strikes my eye would be the hanging connection at E13. It would expand White's wall and loosely link it to the top left corner. If we imagine that Black plays on the right and White responds on the top as in the game, the play at the top would be much more powerful with the back door on the left side shut by a White stone on E13.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:48 am
by Magicwand
Kirby wrote:In the game, I played move 40 here:$$W Move 40
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[go]$$W Move 40
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How does this compare to:$$W Move 40
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[go]$$W Move 40
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Is there a better move?
$$W Move 40
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[go]$$W Move 40
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answer to your above question on Q10........ it is big but doesnt have any purpose. fuseki is more than throwing a stone in an open space. your move have to have purpose to it. I would have played J4. it is big and build your influence and take away opponent's growth. If black take that side then you have top side that is open... miai.
sorry for being so cold on comment.
i feel that you have reached the level where you should think about such.
for weaker players playing that move is fine but for you i expect higher standard.
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:54 pm
by Loons
@mw
If white plays j4 isn't black happy to occupy the right?
If white plays j4 isn't black happy to occupy the right?
Re: Kirby's Study Journal
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:00 pm
by skydyr
Loons wrote:@mw
If white plays j4 isn't black happy to occupy the right?
I thought the right looked a lot bigger than the bottom too...
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:54 pm
by EdLee
Kirby,
Pro opinion:
$$W Move 40
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[go]$$W Move 40
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