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Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:22 pm
by oren
ez4u wrote:I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.
Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
Kobayashi Koichi did it.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:50 am
by Uberdude
oren wrote:ez4u wrote:I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.
Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
Kobayashi Koichi did it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ6_-PVXzos
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:24 am
by SamT
As was previously pointed out, Cho U used this opening a month or two ago. He also used it on Tygem as Tenzaru2? I've been trying to get a collection of these games to see how this opening works, but so far I only have 2
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:36 am
by tchan001
SamT wrote:As was previously pointed out, Cho U used this opening a month or two ago. He also used it on Tygem as Tenzaru2? I've been trying to get a collection of these games to see how this opening works, but so far I only have 2
Could you share the tygem game with us on this thread?
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:16 am
by SamT
Sorry, I hadn't had my coffee yet, so I was not clear: the only games I have are this one, and the one Cho U used in a demo match a few months ago, which is in another thread. I have none of the Tygem games, though I want them badly.
Is anyone on PC Tygem? Is there a feature to pull down the tenzaru2 games, historically? I have only been able to get Tygem to work on my Ipad, and the app does not seem to have a historical games feature.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:29 am
by Vesa
judicata wrote:Awesome.
The result? B+3.5
Today against Takemiya in Gosei preliminaries, the same opening, the same result.
Cheers,
Vesa
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:51 am
by SamT
Ooh. How does one go about getting the kifu?
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:58 am
by Uberdude
I can't save the kifu from there, but I can see the game on the Japan server of WBaduk (using android app). Maybe it will appear on
http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/jp/gosei.html in the future or go4go.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:13 am
by oren
Here you go.
(;CA[shift_jis]SZ[19]AP[MultiGo:4.4.4]GN[ﾚｰﾃｨﾝｸﾞ対局]DT[20141009 [09\:12\]]PB[蘇耀国 8段P]
PW[武宮正樹 9段P]KM[6.5]HA[0]RE[黒3.5目勝ち!]US[www.cyberoro.com]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[og];W[dp];B[mo];W[dd];B[ge];W[df];B[em];W[gp];B[pc];W[pn];B[pp];W[qk];B[qn];W[qh]
;B[qf];W[qm];B[qo];W[pm];B[nq];W[jd];B[gc];W[md];B[db];W[di];B[ck];W[co];B[ch];W[dh]
;B[ci];W[cg];B[dj];W[cc];B[jb];W[jq];B[eg];W[dg];B[ld];W[pd];B[qd];W[pe];B[qe];W[oc]
;B[pb];W[me];B[lc];W[pf];B[pg];W[qg];B[pi];W[qi];B[of];W[ne];B[mg];W[ob];B[rg];W[rh]
;B[sf];W[le];B[ke];W[lg];B[lh];W[kf];B[je];W[kh];B[li];W[jg];B[ie];W[jj];B[ih];W[ki]
;B[lj];W[cm];B[eq];W[dq];B[dr];W[cr];B[jl];W[ik];B[hm];W[fj];B[gk];W[gj];B[ej];W[fk]
;B[ei];W[gl];B[bn];W[cn];B[hq];W[hp];B[iq];W[ip];B[jr];W[kr];B[kq];W[jp];B[ir];W[ll]
;B[lq];W[mk];B[pj];W[qj];B[ok];W[op];B[pq];W[nk];B[kk];W[kn];B[jn];W[ko];B[nj];W[mj]
;B[ni];W[pa];B[rb];W[bm];B[eh];W[gh];B[ef];W[ee];B[cb];W[bb];B[gm];W[el];B[fe];W[il]
;B[im];W[km];B[jm];W[gq];B[fo];W[ig];B[ep];W[ec];B[eb];W[hs];B[lr];W[er];B[ol];W[nn]
;B[mf];W[lf];B[oh];W[rm];B[bg];W[bf];B[bh];W[ce];B[fr];W[ds];B[gr];W[fq];B[hr];W[np]
;B[lo];W[mm];B[oq];W[sp];B[sn];W[rn];B[ro];W[so];B[sq];W[sm];B[rp];W[mp];B[lp];W[sn]
;B[rq];W[ra];B[qb];W[qa];B[bl];W[fc];B[fb];W[al];B[ak];W[am];B[nl];W[nm];B[ba];W[bc]
;B[fd];W[ed];B[gg];W[hg];B[mb];W[eo];B[fp];W[fn];B[go];W[gn];B[ho];W[hn];B[io];W[fm]
;B[hf];W[fg];B[ff];W[gf];B[ln];W[kl];B[jk];W[lk];B[kj];W[hl];B[gg];W[pk];B[oj];W[gf]
;B[no];W[oo];B[gg];W[cl];B[bk];W[gf];B[en];W[do];B[gg];W[fh];B[nc];W[od];B[pl];W[ql]
;B[fi];W[gi];B[sd];W[sh];B[gf];W[sg];B[rf];W[mi];B[mh];W[mq];B[mr];W[fs];B[gs];W[es]
;B[af];W[ae];B[ag];W[nf];B[ng];W[jf];B[po];W[on];B[mc];W[dk];B[ek];W[dl];B[sb];W[oa]
;B[na];W[nb];B[ma];W[ab])
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:35 am
by SamT
Thank you!
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:29 am
by macelee
To keep an eye on this opening, here is all So Yokoku's games:
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/byplayer/316On a related note, Wang Chenxing keeps trying her new opening:
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/43399/5
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:34 am
by Vesa
Again, Judan preliminaries 2014-10-13, So beat Cho Sonjin by resignation, using this twisted black hole opening. Game record available in go4go.net
His opponents might get frustrated sooner or later.
Cheers,
Vesa
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:46 am
by hyperpape
Looking at the game against Takemiya above, I find it fascinating how flexible pros usually are when they play unconventional openings. If I see a kyu player start with an opening like that, my assumption is that they'll do everything possible to end up with a single moyo in the center. But that's a bad plan: even with an opening like this, you have to be flexible. In the middle game, Black spends some time bullying a white group that's in Black's top moyo, but it arises naturally, and Black has already taken a couple of low/corner positions by that point.
I've noticed the same thing with my recent favorite opening (stones to the left and right of tengen), and the handful of professionals who've tried it out.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:54 am
by macelee
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/45575So Yokoku wanted to use this opening again, in an important Meijin league game. But his opponent found a way to stop him doing that.
Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:38 am
by oren
Here is the game record.
(;CA[shift_jis]AP[MultiGo:4.4.4]EV[40th Japanese Meijin, league]DT[2014-12-11]PB[So Yokoku]
BR[8p]PW[Kono Rin]WR[9p]KM[6.5]RE[W+R]SO[Go4Go.net]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[og];W[fd];B[mo];W[do];B[de];W[dc];B[cc];W[cb];B[cd];W[dh];B[ec];W[ed];B[db];W[dd]
;B[bb];W[ce];B[cm];W[cn];B[dm];W[eq];B[dj];W[eb];B[ca];W[cf];B[pc];W[qp];B[qn];W[op]
;B[mq];W[nn];B[pl];W[nq];B[pq];W[pn];B[nr];W[qm];B[qq];W[ql];B[rp];W[qg];B[qe];W[pf]
;B[nd];W[pe];B[pd];W[ne];B[md];W[me];B[le];W[lf];B[pm];W[pk];B[ol];W[pj];B[on];W[po]
;B[qo];W[no];B[ml];W[mp];B[lp];W[mn];B[np];W[nk];B[oq];W[nl];B[cp];W[dp];B[bn];W[cq]
;B[bo];W[bq];B[mf];W[nf];B[mg];W[kf];B[lh];W[jd];B[ld];W[jh];B[lj];W[kn];B[nj];W[mk]
;B[lk];W[re];B[hd];W[id];B[jf];W[ke];B[he];W[hc];B[jg];W[hg];B[ih];W[hh];B[ie];W[kc]
;B[hi];W[qd];B[rd];W[qc];B[qb];W[rc];B[rb];W[sd];B[lb];W[gd];B[gi];W[iq];B[ef];W[cj]
;B[ck];W[ci];B[je];W[kd];B[kb];W[jb];B[fb];W[lc];B[mb];W[fc];B[ea];W[gb];B[ec];W[ob]
;B[nb];W[eb];B[pp];W[oo];B[ec];W[pb];B[oc];W[eb];B[ln];W[ok];B[ec];W[kh];B[gf];W[kg]
;B[eg];W[bk];B[mm];W[nm];B[km];W[eb];B[gq];W[gp];B[ec];W[jj];B[ib];W[ia];B[ha];W[ic]
;B[ja];W[eb];B[fp];W[ii];B[ig];W[ll];B[jk];W[lm];B[ij];W[li];B[bl];W[dk];B[fq];W[ji]
;B[er];W[dr];B[fs];W[cl];B[dl];W[en];B[fn];W[fm];B[eo];W[gn];B[fo];W[bs];B[jn];W[kl]
;B[ko];W[jl];B[ek];W[ck];B[il];W[em];B[dn];W[el];B[co];W[fk];B[al];W[ej];B[ar];W[hf]
;B[gk];W[gh];B[fi];W[fh];B[gm];W[ei])