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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:43 pm
by Kerby
$$Wcm16 Move 16
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Time to pick a target group "a" or "b":
$$Bcm15 Move 15
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 Move 15If I attack "a" he can just copy all my moves as the position is the same, if I attack "b" the marked stone comes into play more effectively. The difference comes in him running towards my extra stone. If he tries to copy he doesn't have the extra stone to help attack my side.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:34 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm17 Move 17
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I don't think I can build a wall on the left side in sente if I'm mirroring. So here's where I break from mirroring and try to take the corner instead. A corner works much better if you have to take it in gote than a wall. So I
cut the side I don't want .
At the end of this I expect to have both corners on the bottom.
Tactics and Variations
Something like this is what I expect
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcI'm giving white a ponnuki facing the left edge, which is probably a mistake. But I think I should be able to get either the bottom left corner in exchange (and that's a
lot of corner) or get a ponnuki of my own pointing into the bottom on the right and ruining white's chances for a moyo there.
Although looking at it some more I think black is in a better global position than white, so white might not go for this.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:17 am
by Kerby
$$Wcm18 Move 18
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I want the outside, I don't want to be trapped small in a corner while he gets superior influence.
I assume it will go like this:
$$Wcm1
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$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1I am fine with either way. The first way I will have to be diligent in looking out for the ladder. The second I am happier with as I get to push him down on the bottom while getting lots of thickness. Either way I should get sente to take the other corner, and have a strong pincer attack on his lone stone on the right.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:37 am
by Numsgil
$$Bcm19 Move 19
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:01 am
by Kerby
$$Wcm20 Move 20
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$$Wcm20 Move 20
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:40 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm27 Move 27 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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$$Bcm27 Move 27 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 Captures: W: 1 B: 1'a' is interesting. It forces white to build a wall, probably facing the left side to build up a moyo, but it also gives me 4th line territory along the top. If white blocked the other direction white gets pressed into a low position and I build strong influence facing the top side. That said, it does start in contact with white, which usually isn't proper.
'b' is a bit more kosher than 'a', but it's too easy for white to press me in to a low position and build good influence facing the left side.
'c' is a big point, in the middle of the neutral side. But I end up with a double wing formation around a corner that is still invadable, so next white would likely invade at the 3-3 in sente.
'd' is a balanced extension from the 4-4 stone, aiming at the double wing extension next, or to totally grab the corner with a move at R15.
'e' is an extension from the 4-4 stone that seeks to back up the Q8 stone, but it's too redundant to be a good extension and still leaves weaknesses in the position. One line higher might work but then the formation isn't balanced between high and low.
'f' tries to form a large scale moyo but it's premature at this point without the double wing in place. It does function as a ladder breaker against my O3 stone, though. (Again, assuming there isn't a local capture. I'd need to read it out and I haven't).
'g' tries to provide some backup for the wide extension of this side. But it feels like the wrong direction.
...
'a' and 'd' are what I consider to be the largest points on the board. There's probably a joseki that would work well instead of 'a' to similar effect, but if I don't know my 3-4 stone joseki I certainly don't know my 3-5 stone joseki.
In the end, 'd' feels a bit more normal of a move, so I'm going with that. It's probably not the
best move, but it's certainly a good move and well within my comfort zone. If white then makes an enclosure on the top left at D17 I can play the big point of 'c' and it has double value since it works to form a double wing formation
and prevents a white extension along the top, which would have become the ideal direction from the left corner.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:53 am
by Kerby
$$Wcm28 Move 28 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:06 am
by Numsgil
$$Bcm29 Move 29 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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This is what I expect (with multiple possible moves for 7 I need to consider). 1-6 is probably not a joseki, but I think it's an acceptable result for either side.
$$Bc
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:18 am
by Redundant
:shock:
There are no words for the feeling this move gives me.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:35 am
by daniel_the_smith
Redundant wrote:
:shock:
There are no words for the feeling this move gives me.
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:05 am
by Kerby
$$Wcm30 Move 30 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:19 pm
by Numsgil
$$Bcm31 Move 31 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:52 pm
by Aphelion
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:31 am
by walleye
Numsgil wrote: Strategy and Thoughts
Re: 63. Kerby (2k) vs. Numsgil (6k)
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:48 am
by Kerby
Hey Nums, sorry for the delay in posting. I was busy getting ready for the Go congress
$$Wcm32 Move 32 Captures: W: 1 B: 1
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$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1I hate giving this territory, but I feel its my best course of action. I don't want any weak groups that he can attack. Whether he chooses a or b I will extend once more, he has to respond.
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$$Wcm1
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$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1This ladder stone is so annoying. I'll try to post more later, I have to go eat some breakfast and get ready for US Open Game 1!
