Life In 19x19

Magicwand wrote:

tapir wrote:

Magicwand wrote:she might lose..but probably not.
from what i heard she is stronger than most European professionals and 7 dans.

Cornel was very close to a victory against her. If I counted correctly and had he taken two stones in the center... instead of defending two stones at the edge.

can you post sgf so i can review?

the uncleaned sgf is here -> http://files.gokgs.com/games/2010/7/26/EuroGoTV1.sgf
the cleaned version on eurogotv is for premium subscribers only which i advise everyone to be (but am not myself).

Antti Törmänen already beat her in the Rapid Tournament, so she's not undefeatable, but she's undeniably strong

I've played her a few times, and there's no way I can get even close to that level of play. Definitely stronger than the European 6 dans I've played (which includes Csaba Mero and Ondrey Silt)

thank you for the sgf..
i dont think it was a close game..
she had a lead whole time and didnt let go.
solid game.

Well, so much for the wisdom of crowds. 8 rounds in, and Ilya Shikshin and Artem Kachanovskyy are running away with it. They're two games ahead of the EGC contenders, except for Taranu, who is one game behind. They're even a game ahead of the top Korean players. With only two games to go, one of the two of them should definitely win. http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt

hyperpape wrote:Well, so much for the wisdom of crowds. 8 rounds in, and Ilya Shikshin and Artem Kachanovskyy are running away with it. They're two games ahead of the EGC contenders, except for Taranu, who is one game behind. They're even a game ahead of the top Korean players. With only two games to go, one of the two of them should definitely win. http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt

Actually, Taranu is two games behind, it's only Ali Jabarin who's one game behind (and Israel are eligible for EGC contention aren't they?)

topazg wrote:

hyperpape wrote:Well, so much for the wisdom of crowds. 8 rounds in, and Ilya Shikshin and Artem Kachanovskyy are running away with it. They're two games ahead of the EGC contenders, except for Taranu, who is one game behind. They're even a game ahead of the top Korean players. With only two games to go, one of the two of them should definitely win. http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt

Actually, Taranu is two games behind, it's only Ali Jabarin who's one game behind (and Israel are eligible for EGC contention aren't they?)

Yes, they are. Ali Jabarin was not even offered as contender in this poll... seems we have to prepare ourselves for big changes in the European go landscape in the next years. (Thomas Debarre is also only one game behind, though 2 MMS points, a pity that he arrived one day late.)

Cheers Tapir

PS It seems Ilya and Artem really profited from their korean-style insei league practice, no?

Yeah, Jabarin and Taranu were next to each other and I misread the standings.

Jabarin was also in the insei league, which is either a striking coincidence or proof that it was a great idea.

Just in case you are wondering about the tie-breakers, please read

Tournament Rules of the European Go Championship.
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm

Best Regards,
Vesa

Vesa Laatikainen | Communications
Finnish Go Association
info@egc2010.fi
http://www.egc2010.fi

Vesa wrote:Just in case you are wondering about the tie-breakers, please read

Tournament Rules of the European Go Championship.
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/ecrules.htm

Best Regards,
Vesa

Vesa Laatikainen | Communications
Finnish Go Association
info@egc2010.fi
http://www.egc2010.fi

Is this

# 4. SOS-2.
# 5. SOS-3.
# 6. SOS-4.
# 7. SOS-5.
# 8. SOS-6.
# 9. SOS-7.
# 10. SOS-8.
# 11. SOS-9.

some weird joke? (About someone preferring the 12th tie breaker?) I.e. isn't SOS-9 highly likely to be the MMS score of the opponent you're tied with? And what happens with a 3-way tie?

And it's down to Artem or Ilya--Artem is 8-1, Ilya is 7-2, with a better SOS.

I guess another surprise would be Dinerchtein at 5-4.

It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?

pwaldron wrote:It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?

With the current standings, it won't change the championship either way.

pwaldron wrote:It looks like there's an appeal related to Dinerstein and van Zeist. Any word on what the problem was?

Zeist ran out of time due to clock malfunctioning but the referee allowed the game to continue.
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1299

Thread on these boards: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1299

The tournament is over, and Ilya Shikshin edged out Artem Kachanovskyy for the title of European Go Champion.

http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main- ... esults.txt

While Ilya played a great tournament, and is certainly deserving of the title, it does seem to leave some bad aji that he gets the win despite having lost to Artem, who also pulled off 8 victories and an MMS of 32. Anyone else think that the head to head match should trump the SOS score? (Or has this subject already been chewed to death?)