Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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CarlJung wrote:I must be feeling especially old and grumpy today, but I can't be alone in thinking that there are too many journals. The bulk of the posts are something like "today I did 15 tsumego" or "today I played a serious game and got crushed". Who cares? They don't contribute anything. I can understand from a personal perspective that one might want to keep a personal log. But why not make it personal, you know, in a word document or something? There might occationally be some good information for a spectator in there but it's being drowned in the mundane stuff. If one has truly found something of value and want to write about it, why not start a thread in one of the regular subforums?

To preempt the "if you don't like it, don't read it" argument, like most people I read the forum from the "View new posts" button and the signal to noise ratio is getting worse. With new members arriving at a steady pace and thinking it's a great idea to start a journal with more of the same "oh look, I did 15 tsumego" it will only go downhill.

I realize some people is going to feel hurt here. It was fun in the beginning to follow SoDesuNe's tsumego marathon but it gets old real fast when everybody just writes more of the same. Often there isn't even anything to discuss! Just the regular tsumego reporting. What kind of discussion board is that? Besides, it seems most journals start stating bold plans and just stops a few days later. Who needs that? What does it contribute?

Remove the study journals subforum!


No, surely you are not alone, people all have different views. :D As more and more people open posts under the subforum, it shows that many people does show interest in this kind of communication. The fact that it becomes a very active subforum surely approves it.

My journal might be the most boring one, as I just keep counting on how many tsumego/tesuji/pro games etc i do every day, plus a bit boring words about how I feel on the day, and most of them can be summerized in one word "dissapointed". But I enjoy reading my previous posts to get a trace of what i did recently, i enjoy people's comments, encourages and appreciate their help in answering my questions in the post, more than that i enjoy reading other people's journals to see what they do, how they improve. In a whole, i enjoy seeing myself being among so many go players who is doing hard to improve their go skills and on the same path as I am.

I realize you are going to feel hurt here, but i do advice you ' if you don't like it, don't read it'. This is not a very active forum, and click on "view active post' won't give you more than 2 pages per day. Besides if you believe people stops it a few days later then eventually the number of posts will decrease, and it won't bother you too much when checking the 'active post' soon. :lol:
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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You can always chose not to visit my blog. It's just another irrelevant blog of mostly personal things anyways. Not much in terms of significant achievements regarding how fast I reach a certain rank or number of tsumegos I do ever day. Just a few boring things that most people wouldn't be posting on their blogs ;) There are plenty of other blogs with gems of wisdom to motivate and teach you on how to train yourself to reach your goals for go. At least you won't find my blog clogging up the arteries of L19, my blog is on wordpress.
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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tchan001 wrote:You can always chose not to visit my blog. It's just another irrelevant blog of mostly personal things anyways. Not much in terms of significant achievements regarding how fast I reach a certain rank or number of tsumegos I do ever day. Just a few boring things that most people wouldn't be posting on their blogs ;) There are plenty of other blogs with gems of wisdom to motivate and teach you on how to train yourself to reach your goals for go. At least you won't find my blog clogging up the arteries of L19, my blog is on wordpress.


I applaud not only your choice of location for your blog but also the content. It offers a unique glimpse into the many oriental books out there for the English speaking audience and the pictures are beautiful. You're contributing information to the go population! Thanks.
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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It seems that by writing their progress here in the forum, people want to increase the pressure for them to continue their studies in the way they have announced. Like if somebody wants to quit smoking, he first tells all his friends that he will quit smoking.

If the forum can provide that, why not? As long as the thread title identifies those posts as study journals, I have no problem filtering them out.
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tchan001'S blog is the only one I read.
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H'mmm, I'm now tempted to start a go blog to help people feel better about not making progress. I'll just blog regularly about how I hardly ever play, and about how when I do I've usually had too much to drink to learn anything, and how I keep making the same mistakes over and over, etc. Just the opposite of all the "here's my plan to get stronger!" blogs. :D

It's a fun idea, but a) probably nobody would read it, and b) I don't have time anyway!!! If I did have time for something like that, better to spend it actually playing and improving, right?
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wms wrote:H'mmm, I'm now tempted to start a go blog to help people feel better about not making progress. I'll just blog regularly about how I hardly ever play, and about how when I do I've usually had too much to drink to learn anything, and how I keep making the same mistakes over and over, etc. Just the opposite of all the "here's my plan to get stronger!" blogs. :D


Ah jeez, for a second, I thought I was reading my own thoughts!

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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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CarlJung wrote:like most people I read the forum from the "View new posts" button


I just realized this button existed. Never noticed it before.

This discussion confuses me, but then again I'm fairly tolerant of the amount of noise ... there are always going to be posts that I don't really want to read (like the Starcraft II thread, or discussion about staggering the US and European congress dates).

Everyone has different ideas of what should and shouldn't be posted, I think. You'll never please everyone.
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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SpongeBob wrote:It seems that by writing their progress here in the forum, people want to increase the pressure for them to continue their studies in the way they have announced. Like if somebody wants to quit smoking, he first tells all his friends that he will quit smoking.

I can buy that argument, but smoking can be a life-or-death matter (no Go pun intended) so the pressure may be a matter of necessity. If go is to be enjoyed, then why add pressure on oneself to improve unless you're an aspiring professional whose livelihood may depend on on quick and solid progress.


wms wrote:If I did have time for something like that, better to spend it actually playing and improving, right?

This makes more sense to me. In the time it would probably take me to write a short journal entry, I'd probably be able to go through at least 4 tsumego.
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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wms wrote: I'll just blog regularly about how I hardly ever play, and about how when I do I've usually had too much to drink...

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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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wms wrote:H'mmm, I'm now tempted to start a go blog to help people feel better about not making progress. I'll just blog regularly about how I hardly ever play, and about how when I do I've usually had too much to drink to learn anything, and how I keep making the same mistakes over and over, etc. Just the opposite of all the "here's my plan to get stronger!" blogs. :D

It's a fun idea, but a) probably nobody would read it, and b) I don't have time anyway!!! If I did have time for something like that, better to spend it actually playing and improving, right?


Hey!!!! Please, don't copy others ideas!! There are already a bunch of us who write with about the same topics. And, based on my own experience, I can confirm that nobody would read it, that much I can tell you.

However, I just enjoy posting about Go... was it for the number of visitors, my blog would have closed 2 years ago. So, as noone is going to read it, I decided to start posting about Android and other boardgames too, but I decided to give up videoreviews on software. Sincerely, videoreviews on software were supposed to be useful as tutorials and feature explanations, but it takes a lot of time and I only got bad reviews.

If you check the amount of active Go blogs, then it's just a few of them. As a database you could use planetgo.org or the Senseis page on Go Blogs. So, what worries me the most is that this huge amount of non-updated Go blogs gives a general bad impression from the Go Blogging scene.
Once upon a time there were ChiyoDad and 361points and with this initial hype some of us started blogging too. Since then, it's rained a lot, most users have given up but their work still remains on the net.

Before anyone happens to visit my blog: You'd find some "I've been crushed on KGS" posts on my blog. And as someone posted above, who cares? No one, I know, but I enjoy posting.

Ah, by the way, last month I received 2 Flattr comissions from someone who enjoyed my posts. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Edit: Something which gets me on my nerves is being asked software instructions after ignoring my own videoreviews and tutorials...
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Re: Why are there so many Go journals and blogs?

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SpongeBob wrote:It seems that by writing their progress here in the forum, people want to increase the pressure for them to continue their studies in the way they have announced. Like if somebody wants to quit smoking, he first tells all his friends that he will quit smoking.

If the forum can provide that, why not? As long as the thread title identifies those posts as study journals, I have no problem filtering them out.

I think this is probably most of the reason people are posting journals and the like. Tons of people do the same thing in Forex/Stock Market Trading too. A very few do it for audience and profits; most do it because it makes it easier to keep track of yourself. You always hear about the idea of writing down your goals, and they will be much more likely completed in the future. The journals are a bigger reach off the concept.

Personally, I find it more useful to read books and study games rather than spend time making a journal. :P Then again, maybe it would be useful to post the silly mistakes that I make so I can go back and read it to make sure I don't make them next time.
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