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71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:39 pm
by lloydv
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[go]$$Bc Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:48 pm
by Solomon
@Lloydv:
lloydv wrote:
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . 6 O 3 1 X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O 5 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 S S . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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White's atari at F16 was the wrong side. White needs a working ladder to pull off the top-side atari variation but doesn't have it.

White needs to cut losses and depart from the joseki.

White 1 at 3 might offer some resistance, but I'm confident I could read out the right response given some time.

Not true, this is assuming White plays 5 in your last diagram. It is a different story (and still joseki, just another line) if White plays C15 instead.

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:05 pm
by lloydv
Araban wrote:@Lloydv:
Not true, this is assuming White plays 5 in your last diagram. It is a different story (and still joseki, just another line) if White plays C15 instead.


@Araban:

But if white didn't defend the double atari, black would get territory and thickness on the top, and could still link into the corner by abandoning the two stones. Doesn't look very good for white but I guess it's better than the alternative...

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:09 pm
by Aphelion
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[go]$$Wc Move 15 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Pretty sure there's no alternative to this. I think B wasted a ko threat.


Edit: ninja editted out trigger as there could be alternate play.

Triggers for lloyd: Read after you made your move.
If you play G18 I play C15, if you play C15 I play G18

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:10 pm
by Solomon
lloydv wrote:
Araban wrote:@Lloydv:
Not true, this is assuming White plays 5 in your last diagram. It is a different story (and still joseki, just another line) if White plays C15 instead.


@Araban:

But if white didn't defend the double atari, black would get territory and thickness on the top, and could still link into the corner by abandoning the two stones. Doesn't look very good for white but I guess it's better than the alternative...

@lloydv:
There is no need to defend the double atari because defending just one of them gives White a better end of the deal.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . O O O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B B O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B B O 3 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:58 pm
by lloydv
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[go]$$Bc Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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@Araban: rats, you were right :-P

And I even slipped on the joseki order when I played the 1st line hane, though white kindly played the response anyway.

Looks like once this joseki is done we're going to have a pretty rough fight. If I'm correct it ends in two unstable groups: one for each side...

In any case, I'll be glad to get out of joseki and into real play.

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:40 am
by Aphelion
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[go]$$Wc Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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Captures the 2 corner stones.

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:11 am
by lloydv
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[go]$$Bc Move 20 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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I thought long and hard and really wanted to play E14 here (anxious to get out of joseki), but I couldn't see a way to make my F18 group live without running along the 2nd line and giving white a huge wall.

I guess this is joseki for a reason.

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:38 am
by Aphelion
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[go]$$Wc Move 21 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O W . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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Here's another possibility, but I prefer the my variation as it leads to more weak groups, fighting, and chaos - suits my style and certainly better for White in a handicap game.

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[go]$$Wc Move 21 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 2 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 3 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:18 am
by lloydv
Sorry I wasn't around for a few days. I was too busy playing go (IRL) to play go (internet).

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[go]$$Bc Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O B . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:07 am
by Aphelion
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[go]$$Bc Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:30 am
by Aphelion
For lloydv.

This is the joseki, let me know if you disagree:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 X X O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X X O O X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:55 pm
by lloydv
Proposed joseki continuation.

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[go]$$Bc Moves 24-30 Prisoners: B=0, W=2
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 . . O O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X X O O X . B . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 1 . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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(Edit: removed captured stones from diagram)

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:38 am
by Aphelion
I suppose I shouldn't have hoped for a joseki mistake in a correspondence game. The continuation is this, but I worry this might be too easy for Black:


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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O X O X . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O O X . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I'm considering this probe to build some strength in an attempt to attack the top group as well:

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However, if I am not careful with this I might just end up giving up a lot of profit for a nebulous attack. Need to think and read this through...

Re: 71. Lloydv [9k] vs Aphelion [5k]

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:31 pm
by Aphelion
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After a night's sleep the worries in my previous post seem like idle fancies. This point simply must be played, And attacking the top group is a fool's plan.
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