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Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:52 am
by kimidori
Interesting meta-point that it seems as if Iyama will play three games in three days, traveling from China to Japan then back to China, with the second game being do or die for keeping his septuple crown. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/gosei/
The challenger Kyo Kagen also plays in this tournament (eliminated today by Dang Yifei) so is it possible that they reschedule the Gosei game?

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:55 am
by xiayun
HermanHiddema wrote:
Uberdude wrote:I think we should welcome instead of chide him.
I don't see anyone chiding him? Did sorin do anything more than try to help by showing the right transliteration?
But it wasn't necessarily, especially after Uberdude already replied to answer whom the player is and trout thanked him in return. To dwell on that point and with the way it was written, it definitely felt aggressive.

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:41 am
by xiayun
For the other divisions:

Senior semifinal:
Nie Weiping vs. Ma Xiaochun
Chang Hao vs. Yoda Norimoto

Amateur Quarterfinal:
Wang Chen vs. Murakami Fukashi
Zhao Jiannan vs. Song Hong-suk
Bai Baoxiang vs. Um Dongqiang (? sorry, more of a Chinese translation)
Lv Liyan vs. Ilya Shikshin

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:46 am
by sorin
trout wrote: Sorry about miss pronounciation. I am Korean and reading Korean article and trying to make sounds as close as possible. What do I know about Chinese pronouciation. If you guys don't like it, you should try to help not complaining. Or I will stop posting any.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound negative: I wanted to emphasize the "official" names, since I find very confusing to read non-official variations.

I appreciate and enjoy your updates very much, please keep posting!!

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:46 pm
by Uberdude
How to beat Ilya Shikshin? Bait him into capturing a bunch of your stones whilst you build a massive moyo that's practically territory in the process. LZ says b10 should be f10: white should come out rather than allowing sente seal even if that does capture some stones. Black was at 80% after the squeeze.


Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:50 am
by kimidori
I don't get why Ilya is invited to the amateur category. For sure the competition level might suit him more, but he's no longer an amateur!

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:29 am
by Uberdude
Maybe it's really called "not pros of Asian go federations" category (or should be). Seeing how Bai etc are professional amateurs (as in playing go and winning amateur events prize money is their job, and they are strong enough to pass the pro test but just chose not to as top dog of amateur circuit is a nicer life than bottom dog of the pro circuit) I think it's reasonable.

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:26 pm
by Uberdude
Following along with Lizzie, the 2 Japanese players have made a good start. Shibano played a new variation in this modern bot joseki:


Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:26 am
by Uberdude
Results:
- Ke Jie beat Byun Sangil by resign. According to the bot on Fox (FineArt?) and Leela Zero he made a few direction mistakes in early middlegame fighting which Byun capitalised on, but he won in the end.
- Gu Zihao beay Iyama Yuta by resign. Iyama seemed to be doing well but maybe he was too greedy when Gu was making sabaki inside his moyo and it ended up a ko so Gu got nice compensation.
- Chen Yaoye beat Shibano Toramaru by resign. I guess Shibano studied the first joseki, but Chen pulled ahead in later fighting. I recommend studying this with LZ, interesting lessons in efficiency in close-quarter fighting on left side.
- Shin Jinseo beat Dang Yifei by resign

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:10 am
by ez4u
kimidori wrote:
Interesting meta-point that it seems as if Iyama will play three games in three days, traveling from China to Japan then back to China, with the second game being do or die for keeping his septuple crown. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/gosei/
The challenger Kyo Kagen also plays in this tournament (eliminated today by Dang Yifei) so is it possible that they reschedule the Gosei game?
It seems it was rescheduled to August 3rd according to the Nihon Kiin website.

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:53 am
by Elom
ez4u wrote:
kimidori wrote:
Interesting meta-point that it seems as if Iyama will play three games in three days, traveling from China to Japan then back to China, with the second game being do or die for keeping his septuple crown. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/gosei/
The challenger Kyo Kagen also plays in this tournament (eliminated today by Dang Yifei) so is it possible that they reschedule the Gosei game?
It seems it was rescheduled to August 3rd according to the Nihon Kiin website.
When was the last time a Japanese big seven title match was rescheduled?

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:22 am
by trout
Pairing for Semi-Final(Possibly 1/19),

Shin Jinseo vs Gu Zihao
Chen Yaoye vs Ke Jie

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:58 am
by wolfking
Uberdude wrote:So take gote for a seki or ko, probabaly the g17 stones not being alive is valuable. And no c11 peep
Isn't white corner dead? Did LZ misjudge the double ko or is it still better than actual game variation (infinite ko threat)?

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:48 pm
by hyperpape
Elom wrote:When was the last time a Japanese big seven title match was rescheduled?
I don't know. When it was first floated, I remembered John saying that the newspaper sponsors were rather protective of their tournaments. I'm pleasantly surprised it was rescheduled.

Re: 4th Bailing cup

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:08 am
by Uberdude
Elf review from baduk1 of Iyama vs Gu, Elf indeed says b10 was too greedy and should c6 compromise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVJPlUT9y-A