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Re: Does playing a high dan bot helps improving?

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:07 am
by TheLemon
I find it more relaxing to play bots. Playing ranked games can be so stressful, like writing code that cannot be edited, whenever there is a compile error the whole program has to be discarded... The undo button makes development much smoother, any "typos" that make the strategy simply not run can be changed to evaluate the overall situation. Like if you need to try ten branches to live with a group it was probably not a great invasion but if you anyhow find yourself in such a spot you have experience finding the one in ten shot for life.

Crazystone is great for such undoplorations, the mobile app is low dan but very snappy compared to the LZ programs I've tried. I used to play it for hours while doing other stuff (no need to fear distractions with unlimited undos) until I finally won the ultimate victory: capturing every single stone on the board.

Bots also wont throw rocks at your house for trying something that's "not supposed to work" so they are excellent for experimentation.

Re: Does playing a high dan bot helps improving?

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:26 am
by Bill Spight
One thing that aids learning is feedback. Hence the importance of reviewing your games with the best bot you can. And immediate feedback is very good. Like, within one second. The bot, OC, can play that quickly. :)

So how's this? Make your play, and then within one second see not only the bot's play, but its evaluation. If the evaluation changes by more than 3% against you (4% with Elf), back up to your previous play and try again.

This seems to be basically what TheLemon just said. :)

Re: Does playing a high dan bot helps improving?

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:15 pm
by go4thewin
I don't think leela zero is best bot for a 3 kyu player. wont be human like at that level. If someone else at similar strength is wondering the same thing as op, Find one of these bots below that you can play an even game with. The rankings do not correspond to human rankings. You need a pc, gtp4zen, zen 6, zen 7, Sabaki, and katago with the 20b s2971 net. You can play with any standard board size, ruleset and komi. An old i3 and weak graphics card are good enough, or the new ryzen apus.
zen7 17k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o4.0 -p0.2

zen7 16k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o3.0 -p0.25

zen7 15k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.4 -p0.3

zen7 14k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.2 -p0.3

zen6 13k -z6 -r3 -t1 -s300 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.5

zen6 12k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s400 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.6

zen6 11k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s500 -n0 -o0.2 -p0.65

zen6 10k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s600 -n0 -o0.3 -p0.7

zen6 9k -z6 -t1 -s700 -n0 -o0.4 -p0.75

zen6 8k -z6 -t1 -s800 -n0 -o0.5 -p0.8

zen6 7k -z6 -t1 -s1000 -n0 -o0.7 -p0.8

zen6 6k -z6 -t1 -s1500 -n0 -o0.9 -p0.9

zen6 5k -z6 -t1 -s2000 -n0 -o1 -p1

zen6 4k -z6 -t1 -s2500 -n1 -o0.2 -p1

zen6 3k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.3 -p1

zen6 2k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.5 -p1

zen6 1k -z6 -r15 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o1 -p1

Katas297 1d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 1 playout

Katas297 2d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 2 playouts

Katas297 3d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 4 playouts

Katas297 4d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 6 playouts

Katas297 5d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 8 playouts

Katas297 6d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 10 playouts

Katas297 7d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 12 playouts

Katas297 8d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 14 playouts

Katas297 9d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 16 playouts
personally, I stream the pc to a likebook mars e ink ereader and use that to play over a real board.