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Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #2)

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:34 am
by Bill Spight
Some more comments. :)

Courage, mes braves!

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Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #2)

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:07 pm
by Knotwilg
So Ian faces kadoban now.

Go Ian!

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #2)

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:32 pm
by Ian Butler
Knotwilg wrote:So Ian faces kadoban now.

Go Ian!


:D
Oh I'll fight like a lion to keep that from happening! :rambo:

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #2)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:27 am
by Ian Butler
Third game. It was a good game until I misread a sequence. Then the game turns completely in white's advantage and ends in a pretty big victory for white.

Comments up until move 91.



So it's now 3-0. Probably time for a handicap.

Three choices to continue:
1) Keep playing even. Though that'll probably turn into 10-0, not so interesting for jlt.
2) Playing without komi, me being black. Might help a bit, but victories have always been larger than 6 points.
3) 2 stone handicap games. Probably most equal of all choices.

jlt prefers I decide, so I'll think about it, I also appreciate input from you guys!

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:23 am
by Knotwilg
Go for 2

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:34 am
by Ian Butler
Knotwilg wrote:Go for 2


Option 2 or 2 stones?

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:36 am
by Bill Spight
I'd try taking Black with White giving komi.

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:18 am
by jlt
@Ian: I told you that I preferred that you choose your handicap because each option has some advantages, and I don't know which advantages you value most.

1) Even games: that would be the most challenging for you. I certainly don't think I can win 10-0, but you would be at risk of losing many games, and this may not be good for motivation.

2) Reverse komi (Bill's suggestion): the games would resemble normal games, but even if you make a first big mistake like in game 3, the game won't be lost, so it will be easier for you to keep your fighting spirit.

3) 2 stones: the games may become balanced, but less challenging for you.

I case you wonder, when I play against a stronger player who lets me choose my handicap, I choose H/2. For instance, if he is 6 stones stronger, I take 3 stones. In this way I lose more than I win, but I don't lose all the time.

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:31 am
by Ian Butler
I think me taking black and having reverse komi would offer the most interesting games for both of us. Let's try that, we can always change it if it doesn't work out :)

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:35 am
by jlt
OK, so let's do that for a few games and we'll see if we have to change. We couldn't play this week, so in the meantime I posted a few games of mine, so that you see how I got slaughtered. I won't be able to play on Sunday, but Saturday should be OK if you are free, please PM me.

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #3)

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:04 am
by Ian Butler
Game 4. Black has a reverse komi of 6.5 points.

White wins by resignation.



My main thoughts on the game:
I felt I took a good start and made it hard for white in some areas. Also because of some good tenuki's and keeping the tempo up for black.
Then something very typical for my games, it all falls apart when the opponent shows superior tactical thinking and things get cut or shapes get ripped apart.

Still probably my best game of the jubango so far, only my middle game is not up to the level to win or to keep a lead.

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #4)

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:31 am
by jlt
Apparently your biggest mistakes were:

1) The last one.

2) :b69: which should have been at N6 (we noticed it this morning)

3) :b87:. Leelazero says that C5 would have been a better local play. This move separates the white C8 group from the corner group. White can also disconnect Black but C8 is not alive, so that's a fight...

BTW we forgot to schedule the next match. I am free for most of next week except Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon, please contact me by PM.

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #4)

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:12 pm
by Bill Spight
Black maintained his level of play for quite a while, except for the 3-3 invasion. But the passive plays, :b83: and :b85:, followed by the no suji, :b87:, lost too much ground.


Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #4)

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:59 pm
by Ian Butler
Hey Bill, thanks for your post.
It's funny, in the review jlt and myself did afterwards, we stopped almost at the same point you stop your review :)

Also, some variations you point out, we were able to found with the two of us during the review ;)
Then again, you bring some interesting new stuff to the table. Some plays that were considered during the game, but discarded for reasons that turn out to be ungrounded.

For black 83, my first choice was the cap or the hane you suggested, but I started fearing white attaching to the Q10 stone (right attachment), which would also break the ladder for the O7 cut.

Anyway, thanks for the additional insight into our game. Here I was proud of my tenuki on the top side, but it turns out it was too big a gamble? :lol: :cool:

Re: jlt - Ian Butler Jubango (Game #4)

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:15 pm
by Bill Spight
Ian Butler wrote:Here I was proud of my tenuki on the top side, but it turns out it was too big a gamble? :lol: :cool:


Well, your pincer was really an invasion. And the jlt raised the stakes!

Ian Butler wrote:For black 83, my first choice was the cap or the hane you suggested, but I started fearing white attaching to the Q10 stone (right attachment), which would also break the ladder for the O7 cut.


FDR wrote:The only think we have to fear is fear itself.
:D

Edit: After the hane, besides threatening White on the right side, Black has threats to make territory in the center and threats against White's top side group.

Also I am repairing the SGF file. I'll have the repaired file up in a few minutes.