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Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:51 pm
by Uberdude
Thanks for the heads up trout, lots of interesting match ups.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:41 pm
by xiayun
First official game for Ke Jie since he enrolled in Tsinghua University.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:25 am
by Tryss
Do you know here we could see the games ?
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:49 am
by Uberdude
You can see them on Fox Go Server, but my preferred way on the move is with the Ah Q Go Lite app on my android phone which loads the games from Yike and lets you analyse with LZ too.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:03 am
by Uberdude
Ilya Shikshin beat Yi Lingtao 7p (goratings #54 at 3420), his greatest win yet!
Looks like the turning point was the brilliant shortage of liberties combo he found with d2 and e5 around move 223.
(see
viewtopic.php?p=241361#p241361 for a listing of other wins by EGF/AGA vs Asian pros, Ryan Li's win vs Chen Yaoye is still on top).
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:41 am
by xiayun
And he gets to play the amateur Baek Hyunwoo next, so a great chance at advancing to the Sweet 16! On one hand, it sucks to see Ke Jie and Shi Yue having to face each other in the next round, but on the other hand, I do like how no redraw in the second round could present opportunity like this for Ilya.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:03 am
by xiayun
Results for round of 64 (bolds are winners);
Shin Jinseo vs Gu Lingyi
Ding Hao vs Huang Yunsong
Park Junghwan vs Li Qincheng
Li Xiangyu vs Jiang Mingjiu
Kim Jiseok vs Andy Liu
Li Weiqing vs Dang Yifei
Park Younghoon vs Kim Dayoung
Shin Minjoon vs Peng Liyao
Byun Sangil vs Ma Tianfang
He Yuhan vs Tong Yulin
Wang Yuanjun vs Oh Yoojin
Yang Yi vs Xu Jiayang
Mutsmura Yuuta vs Baek Hyunwoo
Yi Lingtao vs Ilya Shikshin
Nakamura Sumire vs Li Xuanhao
Liu Zhaozhe vs Meng Tailing
Ke Jie vs Wu Guangya
Shi Yue vs Chen Yusen
Ichiriki Ryo vs Yu Zhiying
Wang Zejin vs Lyu Liyan
Chen Yaoye vs Tan Xiao
Zhou Zhenyu vs Xie Erhao
Yang Dingxin vs Fan Yin
Artem Kachanovskyi vs Xie Ke
Murakawa Daisuke vs Tao Xinran
Mi Yuting vs Zhou Hongyu
Gu Zhihao vs Tu Xiaoyu
Jiang Weijie vs Tong Mengcheng
Fan Tingyu vs Liao Yuanhe
Li Chengsen vs Zhao Yan
Gu Li vs Wang Wei
Chen Zijian vs Zhang Tao
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:10 am
by Tryss
About Ilya win, Katago think that during the first 100 move, it was quite balanced, then up to move 222, Lingtao get advantage multiple times but don't manage to keep it. Then white play 222, the losing move, and Ilya close the win soon after

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Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:43 am
by Uberdude
Yes, Ilya was fortunate Yi made that mistake, but still it's really impressive to:
- keep the game close enough and not get smashed for so long so that if your opponent makes a mistake you can win
- make it complicated enough for a top 50 young Chinese pro to make a mistake
- seize the opportunity when he does
- hold onto the lead against his efforts to come back.
I seem to recall Ilya's win vs Wang Yuanjuan some years ago was a similar pattern.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:50 am
by Kirby
Impressive result for Ilya. Congratulations!
I remember watching his games on KGS several years ago (Artem, too) - he's come a long way!
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:45 pm
by Uberdude
Mi Yuting showed he has studied his modern AI josekis and was FineArt 95% by move 39!

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Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:47 pm
by Uberdude
Ilya's game is at
https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/24031/1/22340180
Playing some modern joseki both players played near perfectly for the opening, now the fighting is starting. f7 instead of j7 was the vital shape point for white.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:44 am
by Ferran
Uberdude wrote:Ilya Shikshin beat Yi Lingtao 7p (goratings #54 at 3420), his greatest win yet!
Looks like the turning point was the brilliant shortage of liberties combo he found with d2 and e5 around move 223.
Question: why does it figure as "B+R"? It looks to me like the endgame was played thoroughly.
Take care.
Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:39 am
by Uberdude
With Mi Yuting's result, I found it interesting that the bots didn't seem to think getting 3 stones in a row to atari a 4-4 was worth losing the top left without a squeeze. Compare game result in which top left is big black corner, d12 f13 b14 stones aren't connected and no forcing moves, white lost a bit extra at top h17 area, but q4 got atarid (LZ 226):

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vs a 'minimize local loss rather than trade' sequence of black also getting corner, but not the extra around h17, white getting a squeeze so f13 etc aren't junk/light, and white getting 1 move on outside like c6 shimari (basically even on LZ 226):

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Re: 4th MLily cup
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:40 am
by xiayun
Round of 32 results:
Ding Hao vs. Shin Jinseo
Li Xiangyu vs Park Junghwan
Li Weiqing vs Kim Jiseok
Park Younghoon vs Shin Minjoon
He Yuhan vs. Byun Sangil
Xu Jiayang vs. Wang Yuanjun
Baek Hyunwoo vs Ilya Shikshin
Li Xuanhao vs Meng Tailing
Ke Jie vs Shi Yue
Lyu Liyan vs. Ichiriki Ryo
Tan Xiao vs Xie Erhao
Yang Dingxin vs Xie Ke
Tao Xinran vs.Mi Yuting
Tong Mengcheng vs Tu Xiaoyu
Zhao Yan vs. Fan Tingyu
Zhang Tao vs Wang Wei