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Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:34 am
by Jordus
SoDesuNe wrote:
Jordus wrote:I don't remember if you mentioned in the previous thread topaz, but adding it to this one couldn't hurt... What about handicaps?


If there will be Nigiri despite rank diversities, I think there won't be a handicap.


post scriptum: Good game then and have fun all!


i just thought it would be good to mention "everything" in this thread.... so there are no questions...

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:53 am
by zinger
HKA wrote:Seems like the the time controls are a little strange - in my view, 10 stones in 5 minutes is absolutley glacial - it is certainly far more leasurely than 5 X 40 seconds. They are not really equivalent.

hmmm I don't quite understand that. 10 in 5 is 300 seconds for 10 moves; 40 second byo-yomi is 400 seconds for 10 moves.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:32 am
by HKA
zinger wrote:
HKA wrote:Seems like the the time controls are a little strange - in my view, 10 stones in 5 minutes is absolutley glacial - it is certainly far more leasurely than 5 X 40 seconds. They are not really equivalent.

hmmm I don't quite understand that. 10 in 5 is 300 seconds for 10 moves; 40 second byo-yomi is 400 seconds for 10 moves.


As other folks who prefer Canadian have stated, having the bulk of time allows the luxery of time banking. At first glance it seems more arduous - 30 seconds per move as opposed to 40 seconds per move. But the reality is that many moves, particularly late in the game, will turn out to be instant moves. 3 or 4 of them and suddenly you have 5 minutes to make 6 moves.

I guarantee that any slow player who has the slightest comprehension will prefer the "less" time of 10 in 5 minutes to the 40 second periods.

I am not complaining, I think this byo yomi would be fine if the basic time was shorter, but at 40 minutes, this byo yomi will produce some slow games.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:33 am
by kokomi
yo, saw my id on the first line :lol:
I'll play after 15 June, so i can still improve a bit in two weeks :twisted:

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:35 am
by kokomi
HKA wrote:
zinger wrote:
HKA wrote:Seems like the the time controls are a little strange - in my view, 10 stones in 5 minutes is absolutley glacial - it is certainly far more leasurely than 5 X 40 seconds. They are not really equivalent.

hmmm I don't quite understand that. 10 in 5 is 300 seconds for 10 moves; 40 second byo-yomi is 400 seconds for 10 moves.


As other folks who prefer Canadian have stated, having the bulk of time allows the luxery of time banking. At first glance it seems more arduous - 30 seconds per move as opposed to 40 seconds per move. But the reality is that many moves, particularly late in the game, will turn out to be instant moves. 3 or 4 of them and suddenly you have 5 minutes to make 6 moves.

I guarantee that any slow player who has the slightest comprehension will prefer the "less" time of 10 in 5 minutes to the 40 second periods.

I am not complaining, I think this byo yomi would be fine if the basic time was shorter, but at 40 minutes, this byo yomi will produce some slow games.


Let's play seriously, be it slow or not :twisted:

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:43 am
by Nakamura
Cool. I left a message for mic on KGS.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:33 pm
by karaklis
I withdraw so that Aphelion can participate. He takes my slot.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:34 pm
by Aphelion
Thanks Karaklis! Hopefully I won't lose horribly :).

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:48 pm
by tj86430
karaklis wrote:I withdraw so that Aphelion can participate. He takes my slot.

Does this mean that the pairings will be redone? (I first thought of saying "players will be repaired", but it would have looked somewhat funny :razz:).

My both KGS accounts are now 7k, should it make any difference to anything.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:06 pm
by karaklis
Aphelion wrote:Thanks Karaklis! Hopefully I won't lose horribly :).

Good luck, I'll be rooting for you :)

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:59 pm
by topazg
tj86430 wrote:Does this mean that the pairings will be redone? (I first thought of saying "players will be repaired", but it would have looked somewhat funny :razz:).

My both KGS accounts are now 7k, should it make any difference to anything.


I'm rather tempted to say no now as people may already have started to arrange their games, although it's slightly awkward as it puts a 6k player into Group 1. Still, either way, to win the tournament is going to require not losing ever, so you have to have your two losses at some point - I suppose it doesn't make too much difference.

Li Kao, you would be playing Aphelion in the first round. If you object to this as he is a 6k like yourself, please can you say and I will find an alternative Group 2 player to swap you with!

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:13 pm
by Jordus
topazg wrote:
tj86430 wrote:Does this mean that the pairings will be redone? (I first thought of saying "players will be repaired", but it would have looked somewhat funny :razz:).

My both KGS accounts are now 7k, should it make any difference to anything.


I'm rather tempted to say no now as people may already have started to arrange their games, although it's slightly awkward as it puts a 6k player into Group 1. Still, either way, to win the tournament is going to require not losing ever, so you have to have your two losses at some point - I suppose it doesn't make too much difference.

Li Kao, you would be playing Aphelion in the first round. If you object to this as he is a 6k like yourself, please can you say and I will find an alternative Group 2 player to swap you with!


Whoa whoa hold up a sec!! Aphelion is a he? :o

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:16 pm
by dfan
I'm not in either affected group, but at this point I think we should just get on with the tournament. It's no tragedy if someone's seeding is off by one stone or something.

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:27 pm
by Aphelion
I've got no problem with the current seedings - as long as Li Kao is okay with them.

And sorry Jordus, I'm not quite my avatar :)

Re: Life in 19x19 Title Tournament, Round 1 and 2 draws

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:46 pm
by GoCat
Aphelion wrote:And sorry Jordus, I'm not quite my avatar :)

just think of all the fun you could have had with this....