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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:18 pm
by Mnemonic
Not to be too negative here, but you will run out of correction very very soon. Looking at BB#1: the first correction was in the first 10 moves and after that the number of corrections just skyrocketed. (There was seldom more than 3 moves per correction) The longest sequence I found was 6 plays for white and 8 plays for black without a correction. (The 8 plays included a forced sequence that was accepted as trigger, so you could count is as only 5)
I believe even something like 5/3 would be very hard to maintain. If you are trying for a different sort of game then I'm not stopping you. I'm just noting that it is highly unlikely that you will ever see more than you initial 10 points
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:35 pm
by jts
If that becomes a problem, Mnemonic, we can increment down... 2x uncorrected moves gains x new correction points.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:23 pm
by Aphelion
That was a problem because the corrections were unlimited. Once corrections are more hard to come by, dan players *cough* Violence *cough* will have to make some hard decisions about what corrections are necessary and which ones are just nice to have.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:25 am
by jts
bump
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:19 pm
by Phelan
dangomango's turn, right?
I really want to approach right away...but I'll stick with the plan and play a.
$$Bc Move 1... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/8 W-10/9
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 1... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/8 W-10/9
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:43 pm
by dangomango
oh, yes was traveling on plane
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:13 pm
by Shaddy
approved
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:01 am
by Phelan
$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/8 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/8 W-10/8
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:03 am
by Marcus
Approved.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:26 am
by Violence
Approved.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:24 am
by jts
$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
As planned. I'm pretty sure there's no hope of approaching either corner in sente, and if there are specific approaches that work as probes, I have no idea what they are. --- I'm glad Phelan played another 4-4. I'm not sure if this makes sense, but I tend to think that since 3-4's are extra valuable to approach, White wants an even number of them, so that there isn't a temperature drop after
. (That said, after this the wedge around R10 is quite big, and if W plays it we'll probably end in sente, so we would have gotten that approach anyway.)
I don't have a great understanding of why the orthodox fuseki works. I just like looking at it. If White goes with sanrensei and we finish our framework, I'm not really sure I could explain why our position is supposed to be worth more. So I'm more or less hoping Phelan plays the wedge.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:33 am
by dangomango
approved
some thoughts
$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8this is possible
some variations to this
$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8now white's next move will mostly be approaches at these 2 points(a or b) to split blacks formation
and c is possible but not commonly seen compared to a or b
$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 4... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-10/7 W-10/8our position is worth more than sanrensei because bottem right shimari exerts both influence and territory
compared to 1 4-4 stone it mostly exerts influence
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:51 am
by Shaddy
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:07 am
by dangomango
Shaddy wrote: Approved.
Obs.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3
Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:17 am
by daniel_the_smith
Wait are little brothers allowed to read big brother's hidden comments in this one? O.O
. (That said, after this the wedge around R10 is quite big, and if W plays it we'll probably end in sente, so we would have gotten that approach anyway.)