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That was about being 1p and not 1d if I recall correctly.

IMO, high kyu is strong kyu, and I think korean and japanese words agree with me:

고급 (高級): advanced/high ranking or grade; 고/高 can be thought of as high, and 급/級 is kyu.

Guess how you might write the same word in Japanese: 高級(koukyuu), which also means high class or high grade.

I do not think there is ambiguity. High sdks are strong sdks (well, weaker than dans, presumably ).

shimari wrote:This topic drives me nuts, repeatedly. I am always in the position of needing to get trophies, and select national title holders, and what, exactly, to name them is always a problem. There seems to be no consensus, so I end up with something lame like "5-10 kyu division". Personally, I always feel that a high player is stronger than a weak player. So 5 kyu should be stronger than 20 kyu.

How about using flights? E. g., 1 - 4 kyu = Kyu Championship Flight, 5 - 10 kyu = Kyu First Flight, 11 - 15 kyu = Kyu Second Flight, etc.?

Bill Spight wrote:

shimari wrote:This topic drives me nuts, repeatedly. I am always in the position of needing to get trophies, and select national title holders, and what, exactly, to name them is always a problem. There seems to be no consensus, so I end up with something lame like "5-10 kyu division". Personally, I always feel that a high player is stronger than a weak player. So 5 kyu should be stronger than 20 kyu.

How about using flights? E. g., 1 - 4 kyu = Kyu Championship Flight, 5 - 10 kyu = Kyu First Flight, 11 - 15 kyu = Kyu Second Flight, etc.?

I've always liked belt systems, such as those in martial arts. In most martial arts, your first dan is your first Black belt rank. So how about something like:

1d+ = Black class
1-4k = Brown class
5-8k = Blue class
9-12k = Green class
13-16k = Yellow class
17-20k = Orange class
21-25k = Red class
26-30k = White class

Or whatever fits into the grade of players you have

Didn't the ancient Chinese have a system of rating players from 1 (complete beginner) to 9 (master) I always thought that system would go well with any kind of belt system.

Yea. Thats called 'dan'.

Kirby wrote:Guess how you might write the same word in Japanese: 高級(koukyuu), which also means high class or high grade.

You will usually see 上級、中級、下級.

oren wrote:

Kirby wrote:Guess how you might write the same word in Japanese: 高級(koukyuu), which also means high class or high grade.

You will usually see 上級、中級、下級.

Perhaps, but this does not take away from the fact that 高級 is still a word that can provide us insight into whether "high kyu" means strong or weak. I do not think you can get that much closer to "high kyu" (the expression that we are discussing in this thread) than 高 and 級.

By the way, when I said, "same word", I mean the word using the same Chinese characters - not necessarily a word that has identical frequency in Japanese as it does in Korean.

I would consider 上級 to be more like "upper kyu", which is close to what we are discussing - But IMO 高級 is closer to "high kyu".

In either case, "high kyu" should suggest a player that is stronger than a "low kyu".