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Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:49 pm
by topazg
So, my current idea is a tournament as follows:

Time controls something similar to the last L19 tournament. Sensible, but neither huge nor rushed (particularly with respect to overtime). I was intending on doing two group stages, with each as a round robin played with reduced handicap (handicap-2 is my intuitive guess). So, if we had 24 players, I'd do 4 groups of 6, where each player plays their 5 opponents once. If me, as 1d, had a 4d, 2k, 5k, 8, and 11k in my group, I'd play no komi (with 4d as White), even, 3 stones, 6 stones and 9 stones respectively. This way, the weaker players have plenty of chances, but overall the system still slightly favours the stronger players. I think Herman's logarithm is a good one for scoring, and I intend to adopt that (though I can't get it to work right in Excel, can someone let know how please :))

So, if that still sounds interesting, we currently have:

kirby
daniel
herman
sink
stable

If anyone else is interested, I'll create a new thread (and I know some of those names were provisional, so please confirm interest if it is still there after the beginning text!)

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:04 pm
by oren
I'll join in as well.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:22 pm
by mw42
I'll join.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:33 pm
by Mnemonic
I'd also be interested, but I've had problems registering at Tygem so I would be reluctant to stage the tournament there.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:35 pm
by topazg
My first bet is KGS, as I think everyone will have access to it, and be comfortable enough to arrange / observe games etc. The only likely reason it wouldn't be KGS is if there was a loud clamouring to move it elsewhere :)

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:49 pm
by Dusk Eagle
To be honest, I really do not like systems that award more points based on how much you won by. I think one aspect of strength at Go is the ability to play safely when ahead in order to maximize your chances of success, and that is one of the skills I am aiming to acquire. That being said, I hope you guys have fun :) .

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:19 pm
by Shaddy
I'm in. The idea of going all-out even when ahead by 50 appeals to me.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:49 pm
by cyclops
just the net points you scored minus komi gives your result. Just keep simple things simple. It forces you to reduce your losses in time and it punishes a all or nothing mentality.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:18 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Agree, simple is best.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:50 pm
by CSamurai
if it's any friday/saturday besides this weekend, I'd be interested. Just need more than a couple days to hammer my schedule into being open. Or, if it's a longer term thing like the last L19 tourney, I'd be open to it.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:57 pm
by Jordus
when is this being planned to run for? specific days/weeks/months??

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:39 pm
by ez4u
Generally are there players located in Asia who can not play during the day (local time) but have participated in L19 tournaments? I wonder what their experience has been in scheduling the games necessary to complete a round. This looks like fun, but when I look into the L19 room on KGS during my evening there are very few people there. I think I would have difficulty if I signed up. Thanks for any feedback.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:03 am
by topazg
ez4u wrote:Generally are there players located in Asia who can not play during the day (local time) but have participated in L19 tournaments? I wonder what their experience has been in scheduling the games necessary to complete a round. This looks like fun, but when I look into the L19 room on KGS during my evening there are very few people there. I think I would have difficulty if I signed up. Thanks for any feedback.


There has been one I think, though I could be mistaken as my recollection is fuzzy. Normally there's really a requirement to contact the people in your group to find a time that works for both players. Japan is 8 hours after the UK, and West USA is 8 hours behind, (and presumably there's 8 hours between West USA and Japan too) so I can't imagine the logistics should be too much harder than they are anyway when organising a global event.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:12 am
by HermanHiddema
ez4u wrote:Generally are there players located in Asia who can not play during the day (local time) but have participated in L19 tournaments? I wonder what their experience has been in scheduling the games necessary to complete a round. This looks like fun, but when I look into the L19 room on KGS during my evening there are very few people there. I think I would have difficulty if I signed up. Thanks for any feedback.


I played several of my games in last year's L19 tournament while I was in China. I didn't have too much trouble arranging it. My schedule at that time allowed me to play either in the evening or before 10 in the morning, roughly.

Re: L19 Hahn Tournament

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:52 am
by entropi
I like the idea of reducing the importance of whole board counting. I have respect but dislike the attitude "I am ahead, so no need to take risks".

I would like to participate as well, but it depends on the schedule.

By the way, did you consider a Hahnkovich tournament?