Life In 19x19

This is a problem that should never arise in go, due to the (I thought) convention that regardless of the gender of the players, Black is always she and White is always he.

hyperpape wrote:... Do you think I can link every single person who complains about singular 'they' to this article before I die? (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/language ... 03572.html)

hyperpape, you beat me to it!

jts wrote:This is a problem that should never arise in go, due to the (I thought) convention that regardless of the gender of the players, Black is always she and White is always he.

and who do you think invented that silly convention ---> political correct supporters (not wanting to offend female players)

jts wrote:This is a problem that should never arise in go, due to the (I thought) convention that regardless of the gender of the players, Black is always she and White is always he.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?PlayerGender Apparently no one knows.

hyperpape wrote:

jts wrote:This is a problem that should never arise in go, due to the (I thought) convention that regardless of the gender of the players, Black is always she and White is always he.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?PlayerGender Apparently no one knows.

Charles Matthews: Well, I have written a whole book in gender-neutral language. It can be done, once you have the knack. More impersonal, though. I still like the SL convention.

Thats a quote from the link. Personally I prefer white to always be white and black to always be black. I've felt this way since before discovering go back when I only applied these designations to chess pieces. One good thing about this view IME, is that it is a gentle but humbling reminder that the game is bigger then (s)he's. We only take up the rains of one color or the other temporarily as we continue our journey with the game. But its journey will continue long after ours has concluded.

Seems like someone made a request for the game record. Wouldn't mind seeing it myself. I looked for both positions on eidogo.com (even with 5 at A) but couldn't find anything (wasn't real surprised).

xed_over wrote:

jts wrote:This is a problem that should never arise in go, due to the (I thought) convention that regardless of the gender of the players, Black is always she and White is always he.

and who do you think invented that silly convention ---> political correct supporters (not wanting to offend female players)

Ahh, those radical Chinese feminists, cleverly associating femininity with darkness, descent, death, cold, shade, and the color black.

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Oh, and dampness. Don't forget dampness.

At the American club I play at, we use "white" or "black", as in "white moves here". Anything else sounds wrong.

jts wrote:
Ahh, those radical Chinese feminists, cleverly associating femininity with darkness, descent, death, cold, shade, and the color black.

According to this, in China, white symbolizes, among other things, death, whereas black symbolizes celebration. Maybe those Chinese feminists aren't so radical after all.

Janice Kim's books (highly recommended for beginners, btw) use she for white and he for black. Whatever works.

Xiaoding38 wrote:At the American club I play at, we use "white" or "black", as in "white moves here". Anything else sounds wrong.

Using "black" and "white" just eliminates a lot of real or imagined confusion in my experience. No one can really argue about the color of a given stone. Unless you are the type that declares black and white are shades, not colors...

Bruce "HSB" Young