Life In 19x19

brodie wrote: If I was sgf-ing (i love verbalization) I would most likely be pretty close to my kgs rank,

No, it has very little to do with the "strength" of your opponents. The problem is the length of the time for games to finish and therefore update your rank.

If the average game finish time is 30 days, then compare your current DGS rank with your KGS rank from 30 days ago -- they'll likely be closer. (and this is not entirely accurate either, but should be close enough)

As long as I thought I was playing a human (ie had the illusion of a proper opponent) I wouldn't care if they were part computer, part hamster.. If someone gets a 5kyu dgs account using a host of artificial aids, how do I lose out? I get to play a 5kyu, maybe we both improve (whether they're a 'real' 5kyu is basically unknowable and unimportant to me). Btw it almost seems rude to me not looking up the 'correct' joseki sequence!

CnP wrote:As long as I thought I was playing a human (ie had the illusion of a proper opponent) I wouldn't care if they were part computer, part hamster.. If someone gets a 5kyu dgs account using a host of artificial aids, how do I lose out? I get to play a 5kyu, maybe we both improve (whether they're a 'real' 5kyu is basically unknowable and unimportant to me). Btw it almost seems rude to me not looking up the 'correct' joseki sequence!

The bolded part can go horribly wrong

But I agree with the rest of it.

xed_over wrote:

brodie wrote: If I was sgf-ing (i love verbalization) I would most likely be pretty close to my kgs rank,

No, it has very little to do with the "strength" of your opponents. The problem is the length of the time for games to finish and therefore update your rank.

If the average game finish time is 30 days, then compare your current DGS rank with your KGS rank from 30 days ago -- they'll likely be closer. (and this is not entirely accurate either, but should be close enough)

right, i understand the lag time, but theres more at work than just that. Say Im even with a 13k on KGS, where both of us are playing without aids. That same player on kgs using aids is going to win enough life and death scenarios to be a few kyu stronger. I know that there have been several big battles Ive lost in recent KGS games that wouldve turned out differently had I played them out with an empty board.

and dont get me wrong, im not throwing stones. as i said, im relatively new to all of this, and so if theres a norm im not aware of, thats my issue, but it certainly does affect rank. i think i'll start a poll, now im really curious...

brodie wrote: If I was sgf-ing (i love verbalization)...

I prefer verbing.

BaghwanB wrote:Bruce "You are not playing me in this corner; you are playing Cho" Young

Translation: I know how to play out a sequence from a joseki dictionary, but I have no idea what to do when I reach the end of the sequence.

(I'm the same way. And that's if I can even figure out which joseki is the correct one to play out in the first place. )

BaghwanB wrote:Bruce "You are not playing me in this corner; you are playing Cho" Young

Love this.

Fedya wrote:

BaghwanB wrote:Bruce "You are not playing me in this corner; you are playing Cho" Young

Translation: I know how to play out a sequence from a joseki dictionary, but I have no idea what to do when I reach the end of the sequence.

(I'm the same way. And that's if I can even figure out which joseki is the correct one to play out in the first place. )

And that's why I'm not 3d on DGS..

Bruce "Love that Cho (and his L/D books)" Young