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117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:06 am
by Banaan
W makes a base!

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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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that doesnt look like sente. He might make a base now with b17, but its small and gote (without finishing with b18 i dont think its a base yet) and i have a base too now! Next i can approach the upper hoshi (or he'll move there and attack my 2 stones on the top). if he doesnt b17, c18 is a wasted move. We'll see what happens

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:06 am
by levanez
Peeper!

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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Since he decided to ignore B11, I can peep here and take out the corner, which is compensation enough, I guess? I'd have preferred he protected that side so I can switch to the middle top though. Looks like this game will have lots of small groups everywhere.

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:31 pm
by Loons
@Kirby, Ed
It is eyespace Levanez wants and it is eyespace he will get!

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[go]$$Wc Maybe ?
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$$ | . 3 . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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White has developed on both sides ? I don't really see any tougher "resistance".

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:51 pm
by EdLee
Kirby,
Kirby wrote:but does it not increase eyespace?
If W replies to :b11: with a block at 2-2 (B-18), B still only has 1 eye locally, no?

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:27 pm
by Banaan
The stone that connects and protects!

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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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The peep! Didnt think of that. Not a lot of choice here, but I think its fine. The game looks nice for w


edit: aaah i cut myself. lets try again :p

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:40 pm
by levanez
Possibly the fastest reply ever?

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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Standard response, so I'll just go with the standard continuation.

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:40 pm
by Banaan
its like blitz-malkovich

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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Not much choice here either I guess! If w tries to connect his stones, ill cut him on the other side! I almost remembered a cool sequence i saw a while ago on kgs, but I forgot ><. maybe I'll remember later

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:52 am
by levanez
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[go]$$Bcm9 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Obvious move here.

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:59 am
by Banaan
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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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hmm, im reading this

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . 5 X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 6 X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 1 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Looks fine i think.. I would have connected b18 if i was b

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:19 am
by levanez
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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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Argh I misread it! :o I missed the weakness at B18 when considering the cut at E18. Looks like I'm in for a difficult game now. This is what happens when you play instinctively against a stronger player, most 3k would have connected at C16 as white.

Next time I'll lay out the stones on a board and do some serious reading first :scratch:

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:25 am
by EdLee
levanez,
levanez wrote:Next time I'll lay out the stones on a board and do some serious reading first :scratch:
One of the joys of a Malkovich game; I thought everyone did it. :)

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am
by Banaan
The stone that threatens a capture!

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . 4 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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So he chose for the cut, thats fine with me!

Im wondering if i should play this first, or just e18.. not sure. I think this is better, with endgame stuff

Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:28 am
by Banaan
double post >< sorry!

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:28 am
by EdLee
Banaan,
Banaan wrote:Im wondering if i should play this first, or just e18.. not sure. I think this is better, with endgame stuff
I think your original variation was better:
Banaan wrote:
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[go]$$Bm17
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$$ | . 5 X X 4 . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O 2 6 X . O . . O .
$$ | . O 1 O . . . . . , . .
$$ | . 3 X O . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Not very different, but the aji feels just slightly better for B:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 X X 3 . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O 5 X . O . . O .
$$ | 2 O X O . . . . . , . .
$$ | . X X O . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . .
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Re: 117. levanez (3k) vs. Banaan (1k)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:32 am
by levanez
I'm not sure if I capture a white stone the prisoner count code should be B-1 or W-1? I'll put W-1 for now, if someone can clarify I'd appreciate it.

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[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No choice here but capture.

EdLee:
One of the joys of a Malkovich game; I thought everyone did it. :)

I was new so I still treated it as a normal game, only with actual reasoning behind each moves! I'll be much more careful from now on, my opponent's stronger and I gave him an easy start already :-?
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