I'm getting worse.

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Re: I'm getting worse.

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daal wrote:My go seems to be getting worse. I was never a genius at finding tesuji, but lately my play has gotten even cruder, uglier, and more uninspired. Too many of my games just feel dull - a feeling which often inspires me to make a ridiculous move because I can't find a good one.


I once thought that shodan could be defined as when you always have some idea where to play. ;)

It sounds like you are running into the bounds of your knowledge. That's a good thing, but unless you can find the right text or a teacher, you are pretty well stuck with trial and error for a while.

It's not just that I can't read very well. I have the feeling that even if I could read better, I still would judge the results wrong, and even when the result does turn out favorable, I either cling to it desperately or squander it.

I've been playing plenty of slow games, reviewing them, doing lots of tsumego and working my way through all sorts of interesting go books, but somehow nothing seems to stick. Maybe I'm spreading myself too thin and not applying myself properly.


There are many skills in go. New learnings may require, as you say, proper application, which you may not have learned yet. It is not unusual for learning to yield bad results for a time. :)

In any case, my studies do not seem to be reflected in my results. Tsumego that I can solve when presented as a problem are suddenly too hard during a game.


Join the club. ;)

The concepts from books just seem to backfire, and I watch in dismay as my invasions fail, my moyos get whittled away and throughout the middle game I plod along like an animal in a slaughterhouse.


See above.

I guess I am a bit stuck on rank, and part of what provokes this whining is that my main account is soon going to sink to 7k after being a solid 6k for a year. On the other hand, I have another account that is oddly enough a solid 5k, but most of my games lately are just plodding losses on my main account. When I play a teaching game with a stronger player, they often praise my game, but 6ks, 7ks and even some 9 and 10ks on ASR seem have my number.


Excellent! Weaker players can provide learning opportunities that stronger players never think of. ;)

It bothers me that I'm not learning how to play better and that I can't get a handle on something as simple as "don't play bad moves." My confidence is draining away, and with it my enjoyment of the game. I think I need to repair my attitude, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it. Right now, to mis-paraphrase Kageyama, it feels like: insecurity causes weakness and weakness causes insecurity.


In Bridge for Tournament Players bridge great Terence Reese pointed out that you cannot guarantee a win, since that depends upon your opponent's play (and, in bridge, luck). What you can do is to play up to yourself. As Reese said, the player who plays up to himself is hard to beat. :)

You might consider getting a coach for a while. I say coach rather than teacher, because it sounds like you have been learning a lot, technically, but you have not consolidated that learning, or learned how to apply it. It might also be a good time to review, to reread books and redo problems.

Bonne chance! :)
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Re: I'm getting worse.

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I often "get worse" when I try to apply new concepts. Something like Guo Juan's group class might be good. The class isn't based on lectures, but on game reviews, which is more like the "coach" idea that Bill mentioned. Though I think the next term isn't until October.
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Re: I'm getting worse.

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If you need a confidence boost, you can always beat me on OGS again. =D You certainly wiped the floor with me last time. =)
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Re: I'm getting worse.

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judicata wrote:I often "get worse" when I try to apply new concepts. Something like Guo Juan's group class might be good. The class isn't based on lectures, but on game reviews, which is more like the "coach" idea that Bill mentioned. Though I think the next term isn't until October.


Guo Juan's group class is fantastic.

Your weekly workload is:

* Play a game against a classmate (usually 1 hr per side + byo-yomi)
* Review said game with classmate
* Send in cleaned up SGF with main questions and notes from your review
* Solve the 10-20 tsumego that are assigned each week
* Encouraged to solve many more tsumego in addition to the problems that will be checked in class
* Attend the 1.5 hour class on the weekend via KGS (stronger players on Saturday, weaker players on Sunday)

The class format is a review of the games played for the previous week. It's amazing, but probably not all surprising, how often everyone in the class will make the same mistakes.
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Re: I'm getting worse.

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Bill Spight wrote:
daal wrote:My go seems to be getting worse. I was never a genius at finding tesuji, but lately my play has gotten even cruder, uglier, and more uninspired. Too many of my games just feel dull - a feeling which often inspires me to make a ridiculous move because I can't find a good one.


I once thought that shodan could be defined as when you always have some idea where to play. ;)

I like this quote. In a similar vein, I find myself thinking of sente as when I look at the board and think, "I have no idea what part of the board I should even be playing in." :shock:

One of my (many, many) problems is when I look at the board and think I can safely play tenuki, it usually comes back to haunt me.
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Re: I'm getting worse.

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Some good advice so far.

I think the main thing is to know you'll get past it. I often have vicious losing streaks right before going up a rank... it just takes a while to process new ideas. Important thing is not to let yourself get so frustrated you give up completely. So taking a break may be the answer.

Two ideas if you don't want to stop completely:

1) make a silly account. Use it to play something very different from your usual games... blitz if you normally play slow, or 9x9, or experiment with really funky openings. Using this account, tell people that you're a couple stones weaker than you 'really' are. It's not sandbagging, because you can legitimately expect to play worse as you adjust to a new kind of game.

2) give teaching games. Crushing ddks is very therapeutic, and then they thank you afterwards. How sweet is that? Seriously, though, explaining concepts to weaker players is a great way to solidify them in your own mind. It'll boost your confidence tremendously as well, not to mention the good karma.

Good luck ^^.
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