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Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:08 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
As Daniel said, it is not clear that you are losing. There is still lots of unclaimed territory in the center, and you have the best chance of taking it.

I share Ed's curiousity about your experience. Your style of play is very unusual. It looks like you have tried to learn the game entirely on your own with no books and no advice. If so, it is a long hard road. It's good that you finally came in out of the cold. Welcome to L19. :)

Below are some particular comments. I included a number of variations, showing alternative moves.



I recommend getting a basic beginners' book on go. It will make it much easier for you.

PS: Shapenaji is so strong that he has evidently forgotton what it is like to be a beginner. :lol:

Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:29 pm
by shapenaji
Joaz Banbeck wrote:PS: Shapenaji is so strong that he has evidently forgotton what it is like to be a beginner. :lol:


Oh, I remember well, I remember never resigning as long as there was something interesting on the board. The toughest part about being a beginner was learning not to waste the stronger player's time :P

Here was a resignation just as a fight was about to start... If I had no introduction to this game, I would have sworn that it was a game in progress, or an opening study.

Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:36 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
daniel_the_smith wrote:...
4: Wrong side. Unusual situations only...


This may require some elaboration to make sense.

When there is a lone stone in the corner at the 3-4 point, like this:

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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .[/go]

...the usual ways of approaching it are this:


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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . .
$$| . . 1 . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .[/go]

...or this:


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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . .
$$| . . . 1 . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .[/go]


FWIW, they often lead to common josekis like this:

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[go]$$B
$$----------------------
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . 6 . .
$$| . . 4 , . . . .
$$| . . 2 1 . . . .
$$| . . 3 5 . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .
$$| . . 7 . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . .[/go]

Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game.

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:38 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Edit: Joaz ninja'd me on this, but I'm still posting it.

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[go]$$W
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . a c . . .
$$ | . . X , b d . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

With a black stone at the 3-4 in the corner, don't play :w1:. It doesn't contest the corner properly and thus is on the wrong side. When black next plays 'b', your one stone is under a lot of pressure, and black gets to play the move he wanted to make all along (if it was black's turn instead of white's, 'a' or 'b' would be extremely big moves for him: see shimari). Thus, the exchange helps black more than white. Instead, you should be approaching the corner with one of a-d. 'a' and 'b' are the most popular, but 'c' and 'd' have merit and can be played as well.

However, the biggest lesson you should learn from this game is the one shapenaji already mentioned: don't resign until the game is absolutely lost. Better to never resign than to resign this early.

Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:23 am
by quantumf
Some moves that you would want to play as soon as possible:

S9 - to turn the 3 black stones at R11 into a floating group that can be attacked
M15 - to ensure that black's top group is confined to the side, and can play no further part in the game. This is particularly important if you want to keep up the attack on R11.
L3 - to firmly seize control of the territory on the bottom
H3 - to aim to control a huge central area

PS In this game, I'd rather be white than black. Why? Because while black has more territory right now, white has much more potential to get significant territory in the middle. Black also has more weak stones to worry about than white.