Life In 19x19

The upper left and lower right of your shapes are referenced in the book "shape up" by Charles Matthews.

John Fairbairn wrote:treating these as (static) katachi. They are not. They are suji or haengma shapes. For the same reason, considering them in terms of connection is also flawed.

This is not flawed because connection, as I describe it, is to be dynamically reassessed after each played or imagined move. In fact, all my terms should be understood in such a dynamic sense.

Citation from Joseki 1, p. 118, Chapter Direct Connection:

"every later move of the game might change the connection status dynamically. Therefore it should be re-evaluated whenever the environment of a supposedly connected shape changes significantly."

Thanks for the replies.

I liked the musical analogy, and the plain `ol "jumps from diagonals".

I'm not sure I was thinking statically, though, to begin with. While going through games, I became intrigued by certain relationships between stones in local fights, and noticed that these jumps from diagonals, scissors jumps, or (melodic) intervals seem to occur frequently, and having noticed this, I have been finding the knowledge a useful guide in my own games. I don't think I'd set out to "make the scissors shape" so much as to let the thing guide me while selecting a fighting move or development for a group.

Also, maybe getting a bit OT, perhaps I'd query the notion of go stones being "dynamic" anyway. It's not chess, where the pieces can actually move, and so every play in go you make does form a shape. But that's getting into water that's too deep for a 1k. All I really wanted was to know if there was any ready made terminology, or whether I should continue to frame things in my own special little way. I certainly concur with Robert's point, if I have properly understood, that you need to read carefully with every play and with respect to the special properties of each unique position, instead of merely pattern-matching. But maybe I don't grasp what he says...

Thanks anyway, and remember that it's dangerous to run with scissors!

Tami wrote:perhaps I'd query the notion of go stones being "dynamic" anyway. ...every play in go you make does form a shape.

The "dynamics" lie in the 3rd dimension: time.
All the shapes are temporary, until things are settled (a group lives, a group dies, a solid connection is made, etc.)

Tami wrote: if I have properly understood, that you need to read carefully with every play and with respect to the special properties of each unique position, instead of merely pattern-matching.

Fair enough a description.

Dusk Eagle wrote:

http://lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1088

(You can quote my post to see how to embed SGFs.)

I don't know of any names for those shapes of three stones. I assume you're not referring to their specific relation to their respective corners.

Not sure if they have an 'official' name.
But personally, I call them as follows (order: UL UR BR BL):

Bob Steven Mikey Justus

I think we can all use these names unless something better already exists or is proposed.

PS>
C'mon gimme some more...

I think of the first one as "that one you use when there's a cutting point you need to fix, and at least one (preferably both) ladders work, and you want to get out fast"...

i call the one on the upper right the scimitar but no idea if i made it up or read it somewhere.

Tami wrote: (Why is this "invalid"??)

to be specific

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your url contained this extra unneeded parameter
(spaces added to hinder html rendering)

I know Bantari was only joking with his suggestion, but once upon a time I did try using personal names to categorise various techniques I saw. The problem was that it only made things harder to remember, because not only was I trying to remember the go technique, but also the name.

For terms to be effective, I believe they have to have a meaningful connection with the things they refer to. Persisting in my own way for a moment, the phrase "big bent scissors" does make it easy to remember the haengma of jumping two spaces from a kosumi, but in line with one stone, rather than in a diagonal direction, while jumping spaces from a kosumi, but in line with one stone, rather than in a diagonal direction does work ("it does exactly what it says on the tin"), but is possibly mildly deficient in colour and ease of use.

And, by the way, you should only know what my first ideas as to labelling some of these haengma were

Tami wrote:And, by the way, you should only know what my first ideas as to labelling some of these haengma were

With prefaces "horse" and "elephant?"

daal wrote:

Tami wrote:And, by the way, you should only know what my first ideas as to labelling some of these haengma were

With prefaces "horse" and "elephant?"

Oh, no. Nothing so poetic or so polite!

i think the top left shape is called a tripod and the bottom right one is called the panther shape.
(ref. the diagrams already posted)

Magnus86 wrote:i think the top left shape is called a tripod and the bottom right one is called the panther shape.
(ref. the diagrams already posted)

Unless the tripod shape you're referring to is something different, it's not a tripod group, which is this: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TripodGroup .

Chew Terr wrote:

Magnus86 wrote:i think the top left shape is called a tripod and the bottom right one is called the panther shape.
(ref. the diagrams already posted)

Unless the tripod shape you're referring to is something different, it's not a tripod group, which is this: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TripodGroup .

i did not know that, but i have heard the shape below be referred to as the tripod shape though.

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So, i call it the tripod shape .it all comes down to whats easier to for you remember i guess.