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#137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:39 am
by Banaan
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Lots of options here, but i'll just go for this one. I'm expecting something like this:

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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:22 am
by dabird
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[go]$$Bc :b100: :w100:
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I must prevent my corner from being sealed in, but I will also have to mind my pincer stone. I predict that white will counter-pincer it. I like this move because it is an outside move for my corner and it starts to limit any moyo that white might try to make with his Q4 stone on the right side.

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:14 pm
by Banaan
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All is going according to plan... muahahaha.

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:05 pm
by Chew Terr
judicata wrote:I suppose there is enough room for two Chews in the universe... But I'd prefer this be settled in a battle to the death. :twisted:


Ah, but which one would you "Chews" to cheer for? (Yes, I made this post JUST to make a pun).

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 pm
by dabird
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I think this is joseki? I don't fully understand why the knight's move here: Because it makes shape with L13? I'm playing this because it makes sense - help the pincer stone and pressure on white's 2 stones separated by 2 spaces. Also, I guess it relates to relative weakness? That is, white's double space jump is not strong, so black can press and not worry overmuch about creating a weakness of his own. I don't know this joseki well, and certainly not after white's response, but then, that is also why I played it, in order to help me make sense of it. No doubt, my learning will come when I choose a *wrong* move :P

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:32 pm
by Banaan
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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Ooh, i dont know any followups for this move. It seems a bit more agressive than the usual (?) m14. Im not going to back down though! I'm not sure what happens next, it's kind of hard to read out, a lot of variatons. I think he'll cut with Q13, but I'm prepared for that!

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:40 am
by gaius
My gut feeling likes the brutalest cut, but it's very complicated:
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if white resists, fight back like hell (might be risky though):
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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Something like this may also be possible for white (play lightly, treat :w12: as kikashi), but I don't know if it's good enough:
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:00 am
by Banaan
Hehe, I've been doubting my last move all morning, there are so many possibilities I'm just not sure if its a good choice. White is easily cut, but so is black. It's too hard for me to read out properly though, so many variations it gives me a headache >< I think if he cuts, ill try to take the corner and minimize his power by playing somewhere on the left (reinforcing q5 too). I have to end in sente for that though.

Ah well, lets first see what his move is, then I don't have to read out the other stuff :lol:

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:57 pm
by dabird
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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I don't know the joseki from here, but I want to resist white's plan (I think it is his plan to build a moyo with Q5 and Q12 or attack my two stones on the top while building a moyo with D16 and K16). My first thought was to push on this line once at 'a'. I was thinking to bluntly push and cut by playing above :w12: would weaken my top stones. Also, I didn't want to be sealed in, but to jump one space (R11) would fail since white could cut and sacrifice a stone to capture either R11 or R13. However, white has left a hole behind and now my knight's move is making sense, I can cut white with the N14 stone in place. The alternative, P15, doesn't look interesting to me, since I don't want to help the P14 stone.

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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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If white hanes on the other side, it looks even worse for him I think:
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:30 am
by Banaan
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[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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I guess 12 was a wrong move. meh >< ill just have to live with it. Ill stick to my plan, I'll try to take the corner. In sente an then kill blacks outside. That sounds like a good idea.

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:52 am
by dabird
Something must be wrong. That is exactly the move I thought you would make... ;-)


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really am starting to doubt this plan. Does white see the outcome more clearly than me? Or perhaps the alternatives are even worse. Or perhaps this won't come out as rosy for black as I think it does.

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:07 pm
by Banaan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . 4 3 , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read out a few variations, I hope i didnt miss anything. The result will be good for black, but not that bad for white. I think i can take the corner, and link up with k16, or if he's stubborn with p14. I'll post some variations later today (on phone now :) )

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:02 pm
by EdLee
Banaan wrote:but not that bad for white.
My first feeling is this is a disaster for W:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ . O . X . O X , X . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
(For beginners.) Broken shape for W:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ . O . X . W # , X . . |
$$ . . . . . # # . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . W . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
W needs to add a move to live in gote in the corner (say :w2:),
then with something like :b3:, the right side seems good for B?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:44 pm
by dabird
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . 4 3 , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Almost another joseki. I don't need to be submissive and play the bamboo joint here. At least, as I could read it in my head I don't. ;-)

Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:38 am
by Banaan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . 4 3 , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Im reading this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm19 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



or:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm19 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O X 4 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 5 6 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I can kill blacks stones in the last variation, because r14 and s13 are sente.
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