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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:39 am
by Banaan
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Lots of options here, but i'll just go for this one. I'm expecting something like this:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:22 am
by dabird
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:14 pm
by Banaan
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:05 pm
by Chew Terr
judicata wrote: I suppose there is enough room for two Chews in the universe... But I'd prefer this be settled in a battle to the death.
Ah, but which one would you "Chews" to cheer for? (Yes, I made this post JUST to make a pun).
Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 pm
by dabird
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:32 pm
by Banaan
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:40 am
by gaius
My gut feeling likes the brutalest cut, but it's very complicated:
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if white resists, fight back like hell (might be risky though):
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Something like this may also be possible for white (play lightly, treat
as kikashi), but I don't know if it's good enough:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:00 am
by Banaan
Hehe, I've been doubting my last move all morning, there are so many possibilities I'm just not sure if its a good choice. White is easily cut, but so is black. It's too hard for me to read out properly though, so many variations it gives me a headache >< I think if he cuts, ill try to take the corner and minimize his power by playing somewhere on the left (reinforcing q5 too). I have to end in sente for that though.
Ah well, lets first see what his move is, then I don't have to read out the other stuff
Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:57 pm
by dabird
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I don't know the joseki from here, but I want to resist white's plan (I think it is his plan to build a moyo with Q5 and Q12 or attack my two stones on the top while building a moyo with D16 and K16). My first thought was to push on this line once at 'a'. I was thinking to bluntly push and cut by playing above
would weaken my top stones. Also, I didn't want to be sealed in, but to jump one space (R11) would fail since white could cut and sacrifice a stone to capture either R11 or R13. However, white has left a hole behind and now my knight's move is making sense, I can cut white with the N14 stone in place. The alternative, P15, doesn't look interesting to me, since I don't want to help the P14 stone.
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If white hanes on the other side, it looks even worse for him I think:
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:30 am
by Banaan
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:52 am
by dabird
Something must be wrong. That is exactly the move I thought you would make...
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:07 pm
by Banaan
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I read out a few variations, I hope i didnt miss anything. The result will be good for black, but not that bad for white. I think i can take the corner, and link up with k16, or if he's stubborn with p14. I'll post some variations later today (on phone now
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:02 pm
by EdLee
Banaan wrote: but not that bad for white.
My first feeling is this is a disaster for W:
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then with something like
, the right side seems good for B?
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:44 pm
by dabird
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Re: #137 Banaan vs Chewtoy
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:38 am
by Banaan
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Im reading this:
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or:
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I think I can kill blacks stones in the last variation, because r14 and s13 are sente.
as kikashi), but I don't know if it's good enough:
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),
, the right side seems good for B?