Life In 19x19

Inkwolf wrote:I actually did invade, and managed to eventually take out the O14 group and win, but got accused afterward of only playing N9 in the hope that black would make a mistake. Guess they were right.

Games at around your rank are won and lost by moves that often heavily depend on the hope that the other player makes a grave mistake or doesn't "see" something. You wouldn't have been behind by so many points if you hadn't made mistakes, after all! Don't feel bad about it, really.

Besides, for your opponent this successful invasion in a position that isn't penetrable under "normal conditions" offered a great chance to go over the game and learn from his mistakes. So, you actually did him a favour.

YVW wrote:

perceval wrote:-count in 2 : its quicker and its easier to count prisoners.

- when you are done counting your score, substract from 50 and start from here for you opponnent: if your opponent score is then bigger than 50 you are behind by that much. (ie if you have 35 start counting at 15 for your opponent)
i almost never count but when i do i use those 2 tricks.

I really hate that advice because people don't think about what it actually say. Instead if reducing your score from 50 and counting to get a meaningless number why don't you just reduc the opponent's score from yours? You don't need to remember both of them, count one of them, and then start from there counting down for your opponent, the number you get is the ACTUAL difference and not a meaningless number.

If you can count backwards as easily and as quickly as you can count forwards, then why not? If, like normal people, you can count forward rapidly and are a little more prone to mistakes counting backwards, it's much easier to round up to fifty once and then start counting forward again.

Additionally, do people really count their own score and then their opponent's? I think it's much easier to do black and then white, because that way you never screw up komi.

jts wrote:

YVW wrote:

perceval wrote:-count in 2 : its quicker and its easier to count prisoners.

- when you are done counting your score, substract from 50 and start from here for you opponnent: if your opponent score is then bigger than 50 you are behind by that much. (ie if you have 35 start counting at 15 for your opponent)
i almost never count but when i do i use those 2 tricks.

I really hate that advice because people don't think about what it actually say. Instead if reducing your score from 50 and counting to get a meaningless number why don't you just reduc the opponent's score from yours? You don't need to remember both of them, count one of them, and then start from there counting down for your opponent, the number you get is the ACTUAL difference and not a meaningless number.

If you can count backwards as easily and as quickly as you can count forwards, then why not? If, like normal people, you can count forward rapidly and are a little more prone to mistakes counting backwards, it's much easier to round up to fifty once and then start counting forward again.

Additionally, do people really count their own score and then their opponent's? I think it's much easier to do black and then white, because that way you never screw up komi.

Really? Never thought it can be harder to count backwards. It's exactly the same for me...

About which side to count first, I usually do it randomly. Start counting from the first territory that catches my eyes.

To my mind, the only way anyone wins this game is if their opponent makes a mistake. If no one makes a single mistake during the game, then white would always win by 0.5 komi.

That said, I am really curious how you won this game. Any chance of posting the SGF?

Redbeard wrote:To my mind, the only way anyone wins this game is if their opponent makes a mistake. If no one makes a single mistake during the game, then white would always win by 0.5 komi.

That said, I am really curious how you won this game. Any chance of posting the SGF?

Why white?

Dusk Eagle wrote:Why white?

Because playing with reverse komi is already a mistake for white