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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 5:38 pm
by amnal
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:04 pm
by Marcus
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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I want to get this in.
I feel like this is a decent extension from our left side stones. A nice, loose pincer.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:38 pm
by Bill Spight
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0This should be fun.
Besides, I don't like the idea of a Black jump here.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:45 pm
by Jordus
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:18 am
by amnal
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:11 am
by Joaz Banbeck
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:01 am
by Solomon
$$Wcm10 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:16 am
by unkx80
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Only move. I thought that usually the atari at L15 is best not played, but to connect here directly.
For the benefit of weaker players, I also explain why this is the only move. The key thing to note is that we should not allow white to settle down too comfortably.
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners - B:0 W:0Connecting at the outer side allows white to capture a stone and settle easily.
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners - B:0 W:0Descending towards the third line allows white to make shape easily.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:23 am
by Solomon
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Settling the top is urgent. If we play elsewhere:
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0White has a heavy group without a base, so a move into settling at the corner is necessary.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:42 pm
by Bill Spight
Edit: Unhidden.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0With White strengthened on top, I was thinking about getting frisky with a double approach. Is
an overplay?
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is a solid response, I think.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:57 pm
by amnal
A question to white players:
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0I was wondering if white could justify playing this and, if receiving an answer in the corner, then pincering (so the top group would have more eyespace). Is this just aji keshi, or would Bill's sequence be better if white wants to pincer at all?
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 2:31 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
No point in hiding this, as it is in the past:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcunkx80 wrote: ... I thought that usually the atari at L15 is best not played, but to connect here directly.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcI felt that white really wanted L15:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc...but I wasn't really sure. Any explanations for why K17 might be better?
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:02 pm
by Kirby
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:44 pm
by Chew Terr
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0I can't let myself be intimidated by the ranks fo the other players, this is a game for everybody.
Time to start making some shape for eyes. I really wanted to play P16, but this seems safer.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0While this would probably work, it would feel less satisfying. There's a difference between playing lightly and just sacrificing things, and this seems closer to the latter. The move I chose gives decent eyespace and threatens a not too unreasonable cut in the corner.
Re: Forum Wide Malkovich Game: Black vs. White
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:10 pm
by Bill Spight
Chew Terr wrote: $$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0I can't let myself be intimidated by the ranks fo the other players, this is a game for everybody.
Absolutely. That's the right attitude.
Time to start making some shape for eyes. I really wanted to play P16, but this seems safer.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0While this would probably work, it would feel less satisfying. There's a difference between playing lightly and just sacrificing things, and this seems closer to the latter. The move I chose gives decent eyespace and threatens a not too unreasonable cut in the corner.
Edit: Unhidden.
In tournament contract bridge there is often a mismatch in strength between partners. We say that the stronger player carries the weaker. There is nothing wrong with that, that's how it is. I appreciate the thought that you put into this play, and I mean no reflection it, one way or another. But let me encourage a carefree attitude. Sit back and enjoy the ride. You do not have to carry us.
You made a considered play, and that is good. But it would also be fine to make a play because you really want to make it. Nobody is going to jump on you for doing so. We do not expect perfection. We are carrying you.
We all play within our limitations. It may well be that the best play is one that takes you into unfamiliar territory that would give you trouble. That's why you have partners.
an overplay? 
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is a solid response, I think.