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Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:44 am
by topazg
gogameguru wrote:Also, eating some of white's cake with :b1: implicitly says you're OK with white having some of your cake, at :w2:. Wouldn't getting upset about :w2: after having already played :b1: be a bit like behaving like a spoilt child?


Reminds me of a quote attributed to Cho Chikun that I heard: "This side of the board is mine, that side is negotiable" :D

Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:16 am
by topazg
David, I just looked at your latest excellent game + commentary between Iyama and Yamashita, and I don't think the Japanese have got the whole cake thing.

What you described:

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What they were doing:

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Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:45 am
by hyperpape
Related fact: the Agon is faster than the other Japanese titles, though it's not a quickplay event per se (90 minutes main time for the final).

Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:32 pm
by gogameguru
topazg wrote:David, I just looked at your latest excellent game + commentary between Iyama and Yamashita, and I don't think the Japanese have got the whole cake thing.

What you described:

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What they were doing:

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Well, speaking as a guy, you've kind of sold me on the second situation... Your pictures are biased though! :lol:

The interesting thing about Younggil's (not my ;)) commentary was that he thought white only made one overplay and then black just played superbly and crushed him. White was the one who was unreasonable. And white lost.

CXUD wrote:Also the cake is a lie. Had to say it.

I don't really understand what you mean, but you can't expect a single idea to give you instant experience and technical expertise, can you? Otherwise we'd just read the magic sentence and we'd all be 9 dan. Anyway, all of that stuff you describe will get easier with practise, especially if you become more fluent in tesuji and shape.

Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:43 am
by CXUD
topazg wrote:
CXUD wrote:I get completely lost in the balancing act/battle and go into full on battle mode. How do you guys juggle these things and still keep that sharing mindset? I guess I'm not really asking anything that hasn't already been sort of asked.


Partly the fact that, as you get stronger, unreasonable moves happen less often unless you know you're behind to the point where they are necessary. At DDK, most games seem to be bloodbaths or giant half board moyos (I know that's an unreasonable generalisation, but it is common). In general, if someone starts a crazy unreasonable fight in Go, you still have to fight, or the other person's move often ends up being profitable. It's learning which fights to pick that's hard ;)

That makes sense.

Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:21 pm
by flOvermind
gogameguru wrote:
CXUD wrote:Also the cake is a lie. Had to say it.

I don't really understand what you mean, but you can't expect a single idea to give you instant experience and technical expertise, can you? Otherwise we'd just read the magic sentence and we'd all be 9 dan. Anyway, all of that stuff you describe will get easier with practise, especially if you become more fluent in tesuji and shape.


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-cake- ... qdElECRs3w ;)

Re: Balance, sharing and attacking

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:44 pm
by CXUD
lol, I totally missed that. Sorry gogameguru, check this out as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TluRVBhmf8w

And for the love of god play the game. It's like go in that it changes the way you think. Certain schools have their students play it because it teaches innovative thinking. If you're comfortable with torrents everyone I know uses this one:

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/PoRTaL-FULL ... 31dc66c53a