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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:41 pm
by hailthorn011
$$c Captures (B:) (W:)
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Looking at the board, I thought, "why not play this move? It does a nice job of expanding
's influence, and it seems pretty safe and stable. I like it. My biggest mistake when it comes to the Chinese opening is that I lose focus and try to overplay. Hopefully I can avoid that this game and get some good stuff going.
Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:03 pm
by speedchase
obs only
hailthorn011 wrote: $$c Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Captures (B:) (W:)Normally I would be weary of extending in that direction instead of protecting your side, but i like how this moves doubles as an extension and repressing blacks moyo. I am sorta curious what a stronger player thinks.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:27 pm
by EdLee
speedchase,
speedchase wrote: Normally I would be weary of extending in that direction instead of protecting your side...
Protecting which side, speedcase -- do you mean W protecting the bottom?
At these levels, it's no problem at all.
At this level, the game will not be decided by _any_ of the moves so far.
It's way too early.
Re:
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:56 pm
by speedchase
EdLee:
EdLee wrote: speedchase,[hide]
speedchase wrote: Normally I would be weary of extending in that direction instead of protecting your side...
Protecting which side, speedcase -- do you mean W protecting the bottom?
At these levels, it's no problem at all.
At this level, the game will not be decided by _any_ of the moves so far.
It's way too early.
I was refering to the the fact that it is normal in the orthodox fuseki to attempt to obtain an extension at one of the circles, however I was noting that I liked that combination of an extensions from and enclosure and approach of the Chinese fuseki that was actually played.
$$c Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c Captures (B:) (W:)I am well aware that at the high end of sdk level that fuseki mistakes are not usually relevant to the result unless they are large mistakes, but nonetheless, it is interesting to speculate about the best fuseki moves.
That being said I have not idea which (if either) is actually the best move in the situation.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:10 pm
by EdLee
speedchase,
Yep, who knows.
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:54 pm
by Sur
$$c Captures (B:) (W:)
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:30 am
by hailthorn011
$$c Captures (B:) (W:)
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This is a continuation of my calm play. I'll just play here and see what happens. My goal is to limit the amount of territory
has at the time while profiting.
Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:04 pm
by Sur
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:29 am
by hailthorn011
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:30 am
by hailthorn011
To expand on my thought process on my last move, my first instinct was to create a base first, but I have been told this is wrong, so I jumped with
figuring that was the best thing to do before creating a base. I suppose it allows for more freedom if things get hairy or something like that.
Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:12 am
by Sur
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:57 pm
by hailthorn011
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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I think I'll dip into the corner here with
and have fun with it. I'm assuming he'll respond with:
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)And I'm considering several moves here. The X marks the moves I may play after the assumed
. I'll be weighing my options heavily here. None of these may be the best move from a stronger player's point of view, but that's what I'm thinking about.
Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:09 am
by Sur
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:22 am
by Loons
More verbose than I intended:
$$Bcm7 Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm7 Captures (B:) (W:)My inclination is very much to play 'a'. It uses both
and J17, in a quite territorial way; and this looks to be a territorial game. Has anyone read Kato's book on the Chinese Opening? I think he may have treated (and liked) this move, though the work is slightly dated (I haven't read it myself). This move
is somewhat tricky.
NB: The temperature is very much described by the size of x, y & z (in that order, I *think*).
If you do not wish to play my 'a', this is the normal way:
$$Bcm7 Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm7 Captures (B:) (W:)You kick white towards J17, to give him a cramped position; then you help J17. There is variation in placing
. Afterwards, black will continue building his Chinese with a play near/on the triangle; a
very big area for both.
PS:
My first thought for (the game)
was tenuki to R8. The corner's open, and I don't see a very severe attack anyway. I don't like the game
for white.
PPS: I prefer
at
.
is a vital point for the Chinese and a(n albeit secondary) Shimari extension.
Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:14 am
by hailthorn011
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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This move is more of a peep than anything, I think, but when I thought it out, it could be pretty dangerous for
. We'll just have to see how it works out. I debated over this move for awhile, instead thinking of playing:
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)But overall, I like
where it is. It could be quite fun for
to try and deal with. And this sequence is what I'm hoping for. Again, it's probably wrong, but that's what I see.
$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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's influence, and it seems pretty safe and stable. I like it. My biggest mistake when it comes to the Chinese opening is that I lose focus and try to overplay. Hopefully I can avoid that this game and get some good stuff going. 
has at the time while profiting.
figuring that was the best thing to do before creating a base. I suppose it allows for more freedom if things get hairy or something like that.
and have fun with it. I'm assuming he'll respond with:
. I'll be weighing my options heavily here. None of these may be the best move from a stronger player's point of view, but that's what I'm thinking about.
and J17, in a quite territorial way; and this looks to be a territorial game. Has anyone read Kato's book on the Chinese Opening? I think he may have treated (and liked) this move, though the work is slightly dated (I haven't read it myself). This move is somewhat tricky.
. 
where it is. It could be quite fun for