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Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:18 pm
by Kirby
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I thought for a long time about playing here:
$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0It seems kind of cool because I get two objectives in one move: pincer and extend.
But I feel like this is giving MW the flow. He thinks I will play here, and then he can have a hayday by jumping out:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0I'm not scared of this picture as black - it's a fight for both sides.
But for some reason, I started to think, "screw that! he ignored my play in the bottom right. let's cash in. give me control. you can do what you want on the left. i'm strong enough there to take it!"
In other words, I feel that black is fine even if white plays again on the left - more fine than white is in the bottom right. Plus, I like the shape in the bottom right. It's a favorite of mine.
Let's give MW some coalthis Christmas!
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:20 pm
by Magicwand
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Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:35 pm
by Kirby
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:52 pm
by jts
@kirby
Kirby wrote: One thing I find interesting is that MW does not try to help out his group when he is (in my opinion) disadvantaged in the area. Instead, he offers an alternative, and leaves the stones as they are. He doesn't try to run away, but just counters. It's very interesting to me. I wouldn't have considered the move he just played.
I've heard it said that real gangsta-ass go players can't run fast.
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:18 pm
by Kirby
jts wrote: @kirby
Kirby wrote: One thing I find interesting is that MW does not try to help out his group when he is (in my opinion) disadvantaged in the area. Instead, he offers an alternative, and leaves the stones as they are. He doesn't try to run away, but just counters. It's very interesting to me. I wouldn't have considered the move he just played.
I've heard it said that real gangsta-ass go players can't run fast.
@jts:
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:24 pm
by Jedo
I think I would go with this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0It grabs profit in sente and leaves white with an awkward shape on the bottom. Forcing white to play a seems good, so white would probably try to finagle something else. In addition,
is practically double sente, since white playing there almost forces black to extend up the side. This seems worse for black:
$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Now white gets the corner, fixes his shape on the left, and black is left with two floating stones, although they are light. On the other hand, maybe black could play something like a, although it seems loose.
Thoughts?
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:59 pm
by hyperpape
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:23 pm
by Kirby
$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:31 pm
by Magicwand
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Kirby is trying not to give me any flow..as i did on him...
if he moves stone in the middle..it will effect two stone on the side so i will make him move his stone by building moyo.
very intresting game sofar. i can feel that kirby is stronger than before.
i would hate for him to play as below.
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Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:12 am
by Kirby
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Finally... He responded. Up until now, I feel like we have both been casting out our fishing lines, waiting for the other guy to give us control. I cast out my fishing line by sliding down along the bottom right. He ignored the bait, and cast a line of his own on the left a bit later. I ignored his bait, and threw a line down in the bottom right, again. Again, he ignored the bait. I cast my line once again in the bottom right, and finally... I got a bite!
Let's real in this fish, and see what profit we can make locally. I'm playing the move I did to enclose his stones, and try to give this fish on the other end of the line a full beating.
After this fish thrashes around a bit...
I'll pack up my tackle box and go fishing somewhere else.
Disclaimer: I do not fish in real life, so I am not sure if any of these analogies hold.
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:51 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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i guess my opponent's reading skill is close to mine
i dont think i played any moves that are bad..so i should be ok.
question..what will he play next???
from what i have seen...he will not move that lonely stone.
i guess i will have to play another move to capture it clean.
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:40 am
by Kirby
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I feel like I am tryimg to orchestrate a symphony. That is, I am trying (I don't know how successfully) to make the board pieces work together in harmony.
I didn't play this move earlier, because I felt it was giving MW control. He was trying to make me move out my stone, and I didn't want to play along. Well, now I do. That's because I secretly want to play this move:
$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0to continue the pressure on white's bottom right group. Doing it straight out seems too forceful, though. I want it to happen more naturally. For example:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0The marked stones are in better shape with
.
He might do this:
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$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0But in that case, I have not invested anything into the marked black stone, it is still not dead, and I have the initiative around the marked intersection.
It is interesting to think of seemingly disparate areas of the board in a type of harmony like this.
I just hope that the final harmony is pleasing to black's ears (and to his score!).
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:53 am
by Magicwand
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Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:19 am
by Kirby
Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:56 pm
by Kirby
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is practically double sente, since white playing there almost forces black to extend up the side. This seems worse for black:
.