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Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

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Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:12 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm22 :white: 39 | :black: 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O 2 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 O O O O X X X 1 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 1 X X X O O O O 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 X X O O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X 1 . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The distribution of stones before the growing phase largely determines the initial emerging territories. In this phase small advantages or disadvantages may soon grow bigger. An additional problem is that tactical attacks may force one into growth at a moment one would otherwise consider premature.

I'm still wrestling with ideas about how to handle this phase, because small errors will usually have big consequences once growing starts. Maybe white should have replied to :b12: differently, for instance at J7 instead of K10.

As a reminder, the original game is being played at mindsports.
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[go]$$Bcm24 :white: 45 | :black: 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 2 . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . X X X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Of course I was forced to connect at Q10, which robs me of a growing option. On the other hand black must at some point connect three groups at K9, and the possibility of playing singles is appearing on the horizon again.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:57 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm26 :white: 51 | :black: 48
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O O . . . 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X O . . O 1 . . 2 O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . X X X X X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X X X X O O O O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O 2 . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:15 am
by hyperpape
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[go]$$Bcm24 :white: 45 | :black: 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . a . . 1 2 . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . X X X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
a seems better than the move played at :b24: It's more than one point, and white doesn't really want to play at the point that was chosen.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:26 am
by christian freeling
hyperpape wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm24 :white: 45 | :black: 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . a . . 1 2 . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . X X X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X X X O O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
a seems better than the move played at :b24: It's more than one point, and white doesn't really want to play at the point that was chosen.
I agree, I'm obviously still in the 'move first, think later' phase of Sygo development :oops:

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:37 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm28 :white: 57 | :black: 56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O O , 1 . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . 2 . . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . O O . . 2 O 1 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X X . . . X X X X X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X X X X X O O O O O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . . . , X . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:06 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm30 :white: 63 | :black: 64
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O O O O O , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . 2 . 1 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | 2 O O . O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | 1 X X . . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X X X . . . X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X X X X X X O O O O O O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X 1 . . , X 2 O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:46 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm32 :white: 69 | :black: 65
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . O X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , 2 . . . . O O O O O O , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O . . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . 2 O . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O . O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . . X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X . . , X O O . 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b32: is rather deep and I think it may be manageable without a single placement.

The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:46 pm
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm34 :white: 75 | :black: 66
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . . . . . O X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O O O O O O , X 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O . . 2 . O . . O . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O . O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X . . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X . . . X X X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X . . , X O O . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X X O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:04 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm36 :white: 81 | :black: 76
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X 1 . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 O 2 . . . . O X X X X X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . , O . . 2 . O O O O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . O O O . . O . O . . O . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X 1 . . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O . O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X 1 . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . 1 X X X X . . . X X X X X X X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . 1 X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X . . , X O O . O , 2 . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . X . . . . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:26 am
by hyperpape
Either :w33: or :w35: was a local mistake, though I'm unsure how it balances against the gain in the upper-right corner. Killing with a placement would have been quite easy.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:53 am
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm38 :white: 87 | :black: 86
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 1 . . . O X . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X O O . 2 . . O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O . O O O O O O , X O . |
$$ | . 2 O O O . . O . O . . O . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X X 1 . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O 1 O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O O 2 |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X X 1 |
$$ | . 1 X X X X X . . . X X X X X X X O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 X X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X 1 . , X O O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . . . . X X O O . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:58 am
by christian freeling
hyperpape wrote:
Either :w33: or :w35: was a local mistake, though I'm unsure how it balances against the gain in the upper-right corner. Killing with a placement would have been quite easy.
I agree, but I wanted to maintain pressure top right and none of black's upper three groups lives unconditionally yet (one is quite dead of course) while white lives. I still may have to use single placements.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:08 pm
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm40 :white: 88 | :black: 87
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . O . . O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . O . O O O O O O , X O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O . O . . O . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . O O . X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O O O |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X X . . . X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X X . , X O O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . . . . X X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:40 pm
by MarkSteere
Where is the original game being played?

Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:18 pm
by christian freeling
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[go]$$Bcm42 :white: 95 | :black: 97
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X 1 . . O X . X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . O 2 . O X X X X X X X . |
$$ | . 1 . , O . . O . O O O O O O , X O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O . O . . O 2 . O O O . |
$$ | 2 . O 1 O . . O O . X X X 1 2 O . . . |
$$ | O O O X O O . . O O X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X X X X . X O . . O X . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O O X X X X X O O O O |
$$ | . 1 . , . . X X X X O O O O O O X X X |
$$ | . X X X X X X . . . X X X X X X X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 1 2 . . . O O . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X X X X X O O O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O O O O O . . |
$$ | . X X X X X X X . , X O O . O , O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . . . 1 X X O O . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The original game is being played at mindsports.
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