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Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

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Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:54 pm
by Bill Spight
@ Mark

Giving a handicap? :)

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:49 pm
by MarkSteere
topazg wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 . O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

@ Bill

Strategery :) I'm hoping my tiny dragon will grow and consume everything around it. Tiny dragons are vulnerable though, especially in square Oust, so it may not work.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:01 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm12 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:23 pm
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Yours was turn 12.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:58 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Yeah, my bad, thanks :)

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:09 pm
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:16 pm
by hyperpape
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b a 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 6 . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
If I understand the rules properly, :w6:, threatening either to followup at b or connect & capture at a looks very strong for White. It seems like it would be hard to ever capture the four stone group locally.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:28 pm
by Bill Spight
hyperpape wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b a 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 6 . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]
If I understand the rules properly, :w6:, threatening either to followup at b or connect & capture at a looks very strong for White. It seems like it would be hard to ever capture the four stone group locally.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 7 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 6 . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Could Black reply with :b17:, starting at D-04?

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:33 pm
by MarkSteere
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[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X 6 . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 7 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . 7 . . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Not recommended :)

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:42 pm
by luigi
MarkSteere wrote:
Yours was turn 12.
topazg wrote:
Yeah, my bad, thanks :)
Are you guys reading each other's hidden comments? :shock:

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:46 pm
by hyperpape
Luigi, I think that's a case where Topazg saw the correction from the board, and it just happened to match Mark's hidden comments. Unless they're not following our usual convention and reading hidden comments.
Seems I had rules blindness. The stone that forms a connection needn't itself be adjacent to an enemy stone.

P.S. Assuming Mark read my comment, he was way ahead of where I was, so there was no harm done.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:02 pm
by MarkSteere
hyperpape wrote:Unless they're not following our usual convention and reading hidden comments.

Ohhhh, I thought the hiding was just to save space, and not interrupt the visual flow. I've been reading all the hidden comments, but I'll stop doing that now unless there's an "@ Mark".

I do invite Graham to read my hidden comments though in this particular demo game.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm
by hyperpape
As I said in my comment, you were so far ahead of me that I think there's no harm done in having read what I wrote.

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 pm
by MarkSteere
hyperpape wrote:no harm done

ok cool :)

Re: Oust - Topazg vs Mark Steere

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:30 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Oust - Mark Steere vs Topazg
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . 6 . O O . |
$$ | X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------[/go]


@luigi: It's the 2nd time in a row I've made a diagram error, I was getting frustrated with myself, that's all :)

The previous time you can't see (as I deleted and reposted so it would turn up as unread for Mark), but I made a capture and didn't make a subsequent move, and poor Mark had to PM me to get my butt in gear - then I go and mess up the move numbering :P

The "My bad, thanks" wasn't supposed to be in hide tags at all
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