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#170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

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Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:04 am
by opex
I think it's pretty standard
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[go]$$Bcm16
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:40 am
by hyperpape
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[go]$$Bcm16
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My gut says there's nothing I want to play that justifies not responding here. But I will have to find a place to be more aggressive soon or the board will be too settled and I'll be too far behind.

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:59 am
by opex
Too many stones on the fourth line?
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[go]$$Bcm18
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:52 am
by hyperpape
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[go]$$Bcm18
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 2 . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to be a little looney. Because his corner isn't finished on the left, I have at least one forcing move that gives me a (very small) base.
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Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:01 am
by opex
Keep white separated.

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[go]$$Bcm20 seems good for white
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . O . X 4 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm20
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:16 am
by hyperpape
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[go]$$Bcm20
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:35 am
by opex
Protect the corner group
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[go]$$Bcm22
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:14 am
by EdLee
Opex has played quite well so far. Maybe :b20: could be a bit better, but otherwise, B is doing well.

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:38 am
by hyperpape
Sorry to play so slowly. Sometimes I just freeze.

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[go]$$Bcm22
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . b d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . a . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 2 c . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As per the freeze comment, I don't have a lot to say--I spent a lot of time looking at the position, but not a lot of time thinking through concrete variations. I did look at all of a-d, but found it tough to read more than one or two moves ahead. Even with this move, I have a hard time predicting what my opponent will play. Well, there's a weakness of mine. I can read a tsumego--not superbly, but tolerably, but I just shut down in an open-ended situation, sometimes. Disconnecting the black stones in the center is absolutely essential, but almost every move has shape problems. This has the least, and might be forcing.

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:34 pm
by opex
No problem, I don't have much time now, so I may be slow as well. :)

Hmm, it's dangerous to mark letters on diagrams, you may give your opponent some ideas... I didn't consider b :) But still I think that I'll go with safer a. It allows me to forget about the corner for the time being (I hope I'm not missing something here). Maybe :b22: should have been one line higher...
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[go]$$Bcm24
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:37 pm
by hyperpape
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm24
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . 2 . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's hard to gain anything in a running battle like this. Both my groups are weak, his group on the left is too stable to be a target for an attack or even reduction. So I have to get twice as much done as he does to break even, and that doesn't happen that often.

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:48 pm
by EdLee
hyperpape, did you realize you put labels openly with :w23: in your Post #24 ?

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:55 pm
by hyperpape
After it was too late. But they don't give anything away, if Opex has even one insight because of them, it'll be one more than there was in my hide tags. :cry:

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:07 am
by opex
I have one weak group (yet), white has two. Run and keep them separated.

By the way, running fight is my weak spot, so any feedback and hints are more than welcome :)
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[go]$$Bcm26
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:40 pm
by hyperpape
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm26
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X # . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm26
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O # # . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . # # . # . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . # O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may be a silly theory, but I'd rather not give him the chance to build up his right side by playing against that group. The marked group, on the other hand, is so solid that it can't gain much. Of course, that deliberately means not strengthening the weaker group.
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