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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:29 am
by EdLee
txcpa wrote:...the OP was not playing the joseki correctly, since ...his corner stone on the 3-4 point, as opposed to the 4-4 point (in addition to the presence of the other white stone at O3).
txcpa, correct. As you're probably aware by now, Go is super specific -- even one stone can sometimes make a huge difference.
There's very little connection between the game sequence and the avalanche, even though on the surface it may appear otherwise. :)

go and minesweeper are different games

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:37 am
by cyclops
In my goviewer I can replay your game at high speed. It reminds me of my computer drawing a fractal. You might want to compare it to a replay of a high level game. A quite different view. Thin clouds arise here and there. The sun is still shining through.
In detail you notice that for example from move 8 to move 80 both of you play only contact moves ( except for two diagonals moves ), always close to the previous opponent move. Glueing everything tightly together. Like knitting a pullover.
Sometimes it happens to me as well. It must be wrong because better players play different.

Re: go and minesweeper are different games

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:56 am
by oren
cyclops wrote:You might want to compare it to a replay of a high level game. A quite different view. Thin clouds arise here and there. The sun is still shining through.


Not all high level games. :)

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:58 am
by txcpa
EdLee wrote:
txcpa wrote:...the OP was not playing the joseki correctly, since ...his corner stone on the 3-4 point, as opposed to the 4-4 point (in addition to the presence of the other white stone at O3).
txcpa, correct. As you're probably aware by now, Go is super specific -- even one stone can sometimes make a huge difference... :)



Yes, definitely. :)

Re: KGS 19k (me) versus 17k

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:10 pm
by Lamb
lemmata wrote:It looks like you have received a lot of good advice.

Here's one that's a bit more obvious: Take your time before making a move. Try to consider at least two possibilities. You spent less than 20 minutes on all of your moves combined. It's okay to lose on time. It is easier to review and learn from a game if you put some thought into each move. It allows you to review not just the moves that were played but the way you had thought about the move. A lot of beginners will often say that "Oh, why did I play that move" or "I lost because of obvious reading mistakes". It is good that they recognize their own mistakes, but significant growth comes from analyzing mistakes that the player himself cannot recognize. If a player's game is not cluttered with mistakes that he already knows are mistakes, it is easier for that player to seek advice about improving. Part of this process is playing slowly so that we don't make mistakes below our level.

I bet you will improve quickly. People who ask for reviews of their games seem to get strong faster than those who do not.


Thanks for the advice. :)

txcpa wrote:Lamb, thanks for posting the game. I find it very useful to read comments from other DDK games.


No problem. :)

cyclops wrote:In my goviewer I can replay your game at high speed. It reminds me of my computer drawing a fractal. You might want to compare it to a replay of a high level game. A quite different view. Thin clouds arise here and there. The sun is still shining through.
In detail you notice that for example from move 8 to move 80 both of you play only contact moves ( except for two diagonals moves ), always close to the previous opponent move. Glueing everything tightly together. Like knitting a pullover.
Sometimes it happens to me as well. It must be wrong because better players play different.


Oh so you're saying that I should periodically play elsewhere in my games instead of concentrating on one part of the board all the time?

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:22 pm
by EdLee
Lamb wrote:Oh so you're saying that I should periodically play elsewhere in my games instead of concentrating on one part of the board all the time?
No, not at all; that's not Go. Just continue to play serious games and get reviews.

Re: KGS 19k (me) versus 17k

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:29 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Lamb wrote:...
Oh so you're saying that I should periodically play elsewhere in my games instead of concentrating on one part of the board all the time?


That is a really profound question. There is no simple answer.

A minor answer is this: pros advocate balance in the fuseki - not getting all of your stones one one side of the board. Doing so involves the possibility that your stones will become overconcentrated and thus inefficient. ( Don't worry about the fact that you might not yet recognize when stones are overconcentrated. Soon enough, you will )

A bigger and more relevant answer is this: Often the first person to safely tenuki gets an advantage. Tenuki means to play somewhere else. Often it involves a small loss locally in return for a larger gain somplace else.
You see, when a bunch of stones are played in the same area, as that area gets more crowded, each stone usually is worth less and less. When you play a stone in an open area, you -temprarily - have 100% of the stones there. That's good for you, obviously. When the second stone is played, it is 50% of the stones. When you play the twentieth stone in a particular area, it may well be worth only 5%. So, unless playing that last stone is a matter of life and death, it may well be worth it to ignore the local 5% and go for 100% somplace else where there is more room.

The idea that moves become worth less and less, both locally and globally, is referred to as temperature.

( I recommend going to Sensei's library and looking up all of the words in bold above. )