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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:08 pm
by topazg
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:43 pm
by Magicwand
K10 tengent
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:02 pm
by topazg
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:05 pm
by The Intrepid
Was it not urgent to play the 3-3 invasion instead?
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:39 pm
by Magicwand
K3
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:47 pm
by The Intrepid
Interesting, magicwand decides against D17 (or similar reinforcing move). Is this a matter of taste or is K3 actually bigger?
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:59 pm
by topazg
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The wedge makes sense. It feels like it's quite hard to pressure, so I'm going to see what Black's going to do up here. There are so many places I'm tempted to play, but like every good player, magicwand just makes me realise how many of them I'm not going to be able to get:
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:04 pm
by illluck
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:16 pm
by Magicwand
C13
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 pm
by topazg
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Did you consider playing around where magicwand played the wedge (e.g. L4) and force him to approach your corner instead somehow?
Yeah, I decided against it because, particularly now he has tengen, it was unclear how I was going to build up something from the result. A corner seems a stable way of securing some kind of points, whereas if he gets into one of my corners, I need to get compensation, and I wasn't sure how. I did consider the following:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: But I dunno, I just felt a bit underwhelmed for some reason. I felt like it would be hard to prevent him getting into "a", and then undercutting anything I was trying to achieve on the lower side, and it made me a bit sad. So I just decided that the corner couldn't be that bad. I'll probably take the "a" point in the above dia myself, but it feels like there are still bigger areas right now, particularly as I'll want to respond to his response.
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:27 pm
by Magicwand
this was what i meant
let me know if you dont mind change last move.
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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:30 pm
by Magicwand
below is said to be bad for white by professionals.
i believe only possible move is 3-3 invasion for white.
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i lost my work computer and i only have my phone...
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:35 pm
by yoyoma
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:05 pm
by Magicwand
Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:23 pm
by topazg
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: I did wonder, that move makes more sense to me
So, he's going to take the thickness, and I'm going to take an extra corner and then panic.
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