virgo wrote:In my feeling, I don't like to play influence unless I truly need to keep the game close. The balance between a "mandatory connection" (see speedchase comment on game #9) and a overconcentrating territory is no so clear in my mind by now. How is it possible to be territorial without being overconcentrated (long discussion probably)
FWIW, even pros struggle with getting this right. It's not an easy topic. I would certainly recommend dealing with the "not very comfortable" zones. If you are comfortable with how and what to do to make territory, but really don't know the best way of playing and using influence, I very strongly recommend playing games focused almost entirely on the successful use of influence.
Only by really poking holes in the areas you are weak at will you get any better at them
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] PW[Laurent Richard]PB[Jörg Reibert ]WR[13k]BR[12k]DT[0201-10-13]EV[Bochumer Bambus - 2013]RO[5]PC[Bochum]WT[Liège]BT[Bochum]RE[B+11.00] ;B[dp] ;W[pd] ;B[dc] ;W[pq] ;B[ci] ;W[fq] ;B[dn] ;W[ip] ;B[jd] ;W[qj]LB[qk:A]TR[pq]C[SoDesuNe: I feel A would work together nicer with the marked stone.] ;B[nc] ;W[qf] ;B[ne]LB[po:A]TR[qj]C[SoDesuNe: I would be inclined to play A here. Since the marked stone does not pincer your approach, you should have no trouble settling yourself.] ;W[de] ;B[fd] ;W[cc] ;B[cb] ;W[cd] ;B[bb] ;W[cg] ;B[ei]LB[ff:A]C[SoDesuNe: A is Joseki.] ;W[eg] ;B[gf]LB[gg:B][po:A]C[SoDesuNe: Tenuki and A. Black does not gain anything, when White breaks out with B, I think.] ;W[po]C[SoDesuNe: Big.] ;B[nq]LB[gf:A][kq:C][oq:B]C[SoDesuNe: When you play A then I think, you should have thought it is Sente against White's group and you should now play a follow-up. If A does not threaten White, then don't play A to begin with.
If you want to make shape at the bottom then either B or C would be better starting points.] ;W[lq] ;B[no] ;W[qm] ;B[pr] ;W[qr] ;B[oq] ;W[qq] ;B[os] ;W[pb]LB[cq:A]C[SoDesuNe: A seems bigger.] ;B[nb]LB[dr:A]C[SoDesuNe: A seems bigger.] ;W[cq] ;B[dq] ;W[cp]LB[dr:A]C[SoDesuNe: White should first play A and see what Black does.] ;B[co] ;W[dr] ;B[er] ;W[cr] ;B[eq] ;W[bo]LB[fr:A]C[SoDesuNe: I like to play A first here.] ;B[bn] ;W[bp]TR[ip][fq][lq]C[SoDesuNe: Now that White took Gote, all these White stones are in danger.] ;B[jq] ;W[jp] ;B[kq] ;W[mp]LB[kp:A]C[SoDesuNe: Just A, I guess.] ;B[mq] ;W[np] ;B[lp] ;W[op] ;B[kp] ;W[mo] ;B[kn]C[SoDesuNe: Very bad trade for White.] ;W[in] ;B[gn]LB[fh:A]C[SoDesuNe: I would start with A. Building up influence while threatening White's group.] ;W[ho] ;B[go] ;W[gp] ;B[hl] ;W[iq] ;B[gh] ;W[ng]LB[bh:A]C[SoDesuNe: Woah! White is couragous. I think A might be devastating.] ;B[mf]LB[bh:A][nj:C][jm:B]TR[nb][nc][fd][jd][ne][gf]C[SoDesuNe: A.
This move might be a little too overprotective. You have already all these stones in place. Maybe a better strategy (besides just playing A) is to first test with B and then play C or something like that. Your move seems to give White more points by solidifying his right.
SoDesuNe wrote:Some comments - no limit or warranty =)
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] PW[Laurent Richard]PB[Jörg Reibert ]WR[13k]BR[12k]DT[0201-10-13]EV[Bochumer Bambus - 2013]RO[5]PC[Bochum]WT[Liège]BT[Bochum]RE[B+11.00] ;B[dp] ;W[pd] ;B[dc] ;W[pq] ;B[ci] ;W[fq] ;B[dn] ;W[ip] ;B[jd] ;W[qj]LB[qk:A]TR[pq]C[SoDesuNe: I feel A would work together nicer with the marked stone.] ;B[nc] ;W[qf] ;B[ne]LB[po:A]TR[qj]C[SoDesuNe: I would be inclined to play A here. Since the marked stone does not pincer your approach, you should have no trouble settling yourself.] ;W[de] ;B[fd] ;W[cc] ;B[cb] ;W[cd] ;B[bb] ;W[cg] ;B[ei]LB[ff:A]C[SoDesuNe: A is Joseki.] ;W[eg] ;B[gf]LB[gg:B][po:A]C[SoDesuNe: Tenuki and A. Black does not gain anything, when White breaks out with B, I think.] ;W[po]C[SoDesuNe: Big.] ;B[nq]LB[gf:A][kq:C][oq:B]C[SoDesuNe: When you play A then I think, you should have thought it is Sente against White's group and you should now play a follow-up. If A does not threaten White, then don't play A to begin with.
If you want to make shape at the bottom then either B or C would be better starting points.] ;W[lq] ;B[no] ;W[qm] ;B[pr] ;W[qr] ;B[oq] ;W[qq] ;B[os] ;W[pb]LB[cq:A]C[SoDesuNe: A seems bigger.] ;B[nb]LB[dr:A]C[SoDesuNe: A seems bigger.] ;W[cq] ;B[dq] ;W[cp]LB[dr:A]C[SoDesuNe: White should first play A and see what Black does.] ;B[co] ;W[dr] ;B[er] ;W[cr] ;B[eq] ;W[bo]LB[fr:A]C[SoDesuNe: I like to play A first here.] ;B[bn] ;W[bp]TR[ip][fq][lq]C[SoDesuNe: Now that White took Gote, all these White stones are in danger.] ;B[jq] ;W[jp] ;B[kq] ;W[mp]LB[kp:A]C[SoDesuNe: Just A, I guess.] ;B[mq] ;W[np] ;B[lp] ;W[op] ;B[kp] ;W[mo] ;B[kn]C[SoDesuNe: Very bad trade for White.] ;W[in] ;B[gn]LB[fh:A]C[SoDesuNe: I would start with A. Building up influence while threatening White's group.] ;W[ho] ;B[go] ;W[gp] ;B[hl] ;W[iq] ;B[gh] ;W[ng]LB[bh:A]C[SoDesuNe: Woah! White is couragous. I think A might be devastating.] ;B[mf]LB[bh:A][nj:C][jm:B]TR[nb][nc][fd][jd][ne][gf]C[SoDesuNe: A.
This move might be a little too overprotective. You have already all these stones in place. Maybe a better strategy (besides just playing A) is to first test with B and then play C or something like that. Your move seems to give White more points by solidifying his right.
Thanks alot your comment on 50, 59 and 66 are options I didn't take.
50 : I thought B would answer O4 so A could play A on 52. Quite naïve. 59 : I was a bit afraid to die on the weak group on the middle bottom. I probably could escape easily and that could have prevented the black moyo 66 : Wasn't it one of the last moment to prevent Black moyo to become too big ?
Thanks again.
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I just realized I commented more on Black's position and you seem to be White ^^ Regarding the Moyo: You could always play O17 either after Black K16 (move #9) or instead of White F3 (move #6). White R14 (move #12) high at Q14 also helps and makes in my opinion better shape with R10. White R7 (move #28) at M5, chasing Black in the open and then play something like Q7 (induced), would also keep Black weaker and strengthen your bottom group. If Black further escapes into the center, you can erase his Moyo naturally. The real problems seems to be White C4 (move #38), although I'm pondering whether C3 (move #36) is not good either because you end up too weak at the bottom. I think once Black attacks your group there the game is over. The Moyo is the least of your concerns then.
SoDesuNe wrote:I just realized I commented more on Black's position and you seem to be White ^^
No problem
SoDesuNe wrote:Regarding the Moyo: You could always play O17 either after Black K16 (move #9) or instead of White F3 (move #6). White R14 (move #12) high at Q14 also helps and makes in my opinion better shape with R10. White R7 (move #28) at M5, chasing Black in the open and then play something like Q7 (induced), would also keep Black weaker and strengthen your bottom group.
Indeed, like most "strong DDK", I have thought about M5 (move #28) but I choose an other weaker option. This is a valuable advise. Thanks
SoDesuNe wrote:If Black further escapes into the center, you can erase his Moyo naturally. The real problems seems to be White C4 (move #38), although I'm pondering whether C3 (move #36) is not good either because you end up too weak at the bottom. I think once Black attacks your group there the game is over. The Moyo is the least of your concerns then.
100% agree. Am I too concerned about "seeing territories" ? (move #28 and san-san invasion - move #36). These choices brought many unpredicted drawbacks.
“I am easily satisfied with the very best.” Winston Churchill
Could I have your point of view about move #96 ? I thought it was my last chance to come back and I thought I could live there. Was it a dream or did I make a mistake to live ?
In short, is #96 overplay ?
Thanks
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