Life In 19x19

Did anyone look at this link from my post above?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnjcxzihkdluh ... 0Chart.doc

This is probably a long shot, but is there any software that shows a graph of a game, with each move along the x-axis and the predicted final territory up the y-axis? This would be really useful for seeing the flow of the game, and picking out the good and bad moves.

PeterPeter wrote:This is probably a long shot, but is there any software that shows a graph of a game, with each move along the x-axis and the predicted final territory up the y-axis? This would be really useful for seeing the flow of the game, and picking out the good and bad moves.

Crazy Stone can produce an analysis that looks like this (click on move for detailed move analysis):
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulo ... /Uberdude/

Or that (weaker game):
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulo ... /bofinken/

Rémi

That looks almost perfect!

But I'm not sure it justifies that much expense at this early stage of my Go career...

PeterPeter wrote:This is probably a long shot, but is there any software that shows a graph of a game, with each move along the x-axis and the predicted final territory up the y-axis? This would be really useful for seeing the flow of the game, and picking out the good and bad moves.

SmartGo (£30) does this.
I think it is the closest analogue to Chessbase and the thing I happen to have. A direct match (which is what you are angling at) doesn't exist. This is to do with the way Chess engines can trim a lot of future lines easily, due to the losing player being down a piece with no compensation. The equivalent in Go, ( being down a large dead group ) isn't clear to computer engines. That is just the current state of the art. Wait 20 years and the answer will be different. But SmartGo does have the predicted territory graph, engine, database with updated pro games, integrated feel.

With the caveat that the following weak/stronger notes are my personal belief, not rigorously tested, I think the programs to compare SmartGo against are:
Manyfaces of Go (£56). Stronger engine , no database with updated pro games, but many other instructional tools, e.g. Joseki tutor.
Go++ Deluxe (£56). Stronger engine, no database with updated pro games, shape feature.
Drago (£0) No database with updated pro games. Plug in the weaker GNU Go (£0) engine.
GoGoD (£20) database with updated pro games and historical reference material. Not a program itself. A reference.

Your best bet though is to search for a real live player™ at a club.

Thank you. I thought a chess player would know what I was angling at

SmartGo looks like a comprehensive program for a reasonable price. Though is it really over 4 years since the program was last updated?

SmartGo v2.8.3.6 Sept 2009, so 3 years, but the database is more recent. Anders Kierulf has been concentrating his efforts on the apple universe of ithingies.

I looked at Daal's comparison.

I'm quite impressed with the graph and move suggestion feature of CrazyStone I wasn't aware of, that Rémi pointed out above. A nice implementation of the idea of being able to compare the consequences of the computer's suggested move against yours at each turn.

daal wrote:Did anyone look at this link from my post above?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnjcxzihkdluh ... 0Chart.doc

I did, I might have too look into getting Drago, MoyoGo, or GoGoD